Your not safe on the East Coast!

[Sans Bateau]

Guys, I've taken a little cruise around to the East Coast to say hello and to draw your attention to what is happening regarding MCZ's in your part of the world.

You may well be aware of the much publicised issues surrounding Studland bay over on Scuttlebutt, but no areas of our coast is safe. Take a look at the following link:

http://www.balancedseas.org/

This covers an area from the Solent Eastwards, its the eastward bit that will interest you, dig around and find the bit that covers the Thames Estuary. You will need time to open all the links and read the reports, it is a maze! But please spend some time on it, it will be no good calling foul! When the MCZ's are put in place, they will be there forever!

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Second Galadriel's post... the area proposed is massive, and if implemented in full would completely prevent anchoring OR MOORINGS in the Blackwater, Colne, Crouch, Roach, and Backwaters (which I feel are particularly at risk due their popularity with twitchers)...

Serious risk to us here folks that we need to pay attention to.

 

[Sans Bateau]

As far as I can see on the Balanced seas site, you dont even have the (limited) support of the RYA.

 

[trevorr]

And if your from a little further up the east coast some more here.
http://www.netgainmcz.org/
which covers the area from Deben Northwards as far as Berwick

Trev

 

[PaulGooch]

Two things the UK excels in

1) Money wasting

2) Expending vast energy preventing others from doing things, rather than getting a life yourself.

 

[Athene V30]

I am never very good at reading these things but it seems to say a lot about nothing very specific.

Where can you see what MCZs are being proposed and the impacts on leisure users?

 

[PaulGooch]

I am never very good at reading these things but it seems to say a lot about nothing very specific.

Where can you see what MCZs are being proposed and the impacts on leisure users?

Peter, i sadly have to confess to losing the will to live and leaving the site before i found anything worth remembering or understanding

Dare say that was what they planned.

 

[Sans Bateau]

I am never very good at reading these things but it seems to say a lot about nothing very specific.

Where can you see what MCZs are being proposed and the impacts on leisure users?

Its worth persisting with the read. The impact on leisure users? Well when you consider that although leisure boat owners are in reality the biggest stakeholders in coastal waters, and add the fact that in all the MCZ areas boat owners are being left out of the debate, you will not be surprised to hear that most anchorages around the UK will be exclusion zones and some areas, the entire water column will be out of bounds, just to explain that, you will not be able to sail through that area!

This is a major threat to boating in the UK, an island nation with a sailing heritage. And dont think 'we'll ignore it', it will be law.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Karouise,

The MCZ that you might be most worried about is proposed for everything inside a line between Walton Headland and Foulness Island!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[fergie_mac66]

well as there is going to be a coastal path access all around the uk at least we will be able to walk around the coast

 

[MoodySabre]

Two things the UK excels in

1) Money wasting

2) Expending vast energy preventing others from doing things, rather than getting a life yourself.

Agreed

I am never very good at reading these things but it seems to say a lot about nothing very specific.

Where can you see what MCZs are being proposed and the impacts on leisure users?

Lots of data but no information. It's not for sailing plebs to understand

To think that the meagre number of boats on The Blackwater could have any impact on marine life is bonkers. Studland Bay "300 boats at anchor on a fine summer weekend" (I read in a mag) well that's a different issue. Who on the East Coast wants to go where another 300 boats are

Hopefully government cuts will see this off. Even the econerds need public money to enforce this nonsense.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

I once saw 12 boats in Hamford Water......

 

[Habebty]

I have emailed the Balanced Seas (my arse) lot asking what exactly is the proposed impact on leisure craft in the Essex/Suffolk coastal area, not that I expect a coherent or meaningful reply but just to let them know I'm concerned.

I love the Backwaters and do my upmost to anchor considerately and would help in efforts to preserve somewhere like this, but not at the cost of not being able to enjoy it.

I can almost predict I will be telling the RYA where to stuff their membership unless they show some backbone over this and not take it up the bum from these people.

Pete

 

[PaulGooch]

I have no experience of fighting this type of thing, but it's clear how they work. They have their own agenda and as they have no other real life interests other than interfering with others enjoyment, they have plenty of time to spare.

This Country is so ****ed up it's beyond belief, apologies for the Gordon Ramsey words.

I wonder, is it worth some digging to find out exactly what these morons are up to, then launch a coordinated campaign, lobbying the local MP's for the effected areas.

With the cuts we are all facing, as a nation, perhaps the waste of money angle might be worth pursuing ?

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

The problem is that some of these lobbying organisations are really quite wealthy.... the RSPB for example regularly buys large tracts of land to create nature reserves... it has a large, active and vocal membership... and isn't short of money to whip up support within the general public, so funding isn't likely to be a concern to the powers that be

The RYA aren't any longer playing the game that is won by lots of backroom meetings..... and need to court publicity and create a lot of noise... but they don't seem to have realised yet.

 

[Habebty]

I wonder, is it worth some digging to find out exactly what these morons are up to, then launch a coordinated campaign,

Google Boat Owners Response Group, or see the sticky thread in Scuttlebutt

 

[Sans Bateau]

I have no experience of fighting this type of thing, but it's clear how they work. They have their own agenda and as they have no other real life interests other than interfering with others enjoyment, they have plenty of time to spare.

This Country is so ****ed up it's beyond belief, apologies for the Gordon Ramsey words.

I wonder, is it worth some digging to find out exactly what these morons are up to, then launch a coordinated campaign, lobbying the local MP's for the effected areas.

With the cuts we are all facing, as a nation, perhaps the waste of money angle might be worth pursuing ?

Having recently been trying to get my head around who does what in these quangos, I can tell you its layers and layers on committees, sub committees 'experts' and administrators. Few I suspect know anything about the sea or our coasts, they are career busy body academics. Every document has lots of data in it but says nothing, everything is referred to by three letter acronyms (TLA) and are a nightmare for mere mortals. However Government mandarins who will eventually pass the laws will love it.

 

[Koeketiene]

And dont think 'we'll ignore it', it will be law.

Just what I was planning on doing - laws can be ignored too.
As long as there aren't the manpower or the resources to enforce it, it'll just be a couple of lines on a chart.

Anyone remember the uproar when the Sunk TSS was created - how we would be forced to make big detours to get anywhere across the Channel?
Been ignoring that for ever; and guess what: Nothing bad happened.

 

[Firefly]

The threads on Scuttlebut concerning Studland seem to contain rather more heat than light. While I don't want to be banned from anchoring etc in any spot now open to it, I believe that an area being designated an MCZ doesnt automatically ban anything - each area will be treated according to how the relevant authority feels is right for that area, which could be ok or really bad news. The initial ideas at Studland only affect a small area as a trial (doesnt mean that it won't be increased later of course).

I think the RYA are not making a song and dance because they believe the effects won't be as bad as those not in the know believe. Most of their lobbying on things like this are done at a very early stage and are usually pretty effective - its no co-incidence that we have about the least regulated leisure boating sector certainly in Europe, if not the world, and most attempts to Licence, Regulate, Tax us etc never see the light of day, and are therefore unknown to most of us.

I will now batten down and stand by to repel boarders!

 

[Goldfish]

It would appear that the balanced seas organisation will come and talk to stake holders and solicit their views on the proposed MCA's. Could we not as a group organise somewhere on the east coast to get some one from the organization to come and talk to us?? this is apparently our local rep



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