Youngsters having fun,learning and messing around in boats ,a rare sight

These guys seem to fit the brief.

Last year at East Head.

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The Arethusa activity centre in Upnor frequently appears to round up stray oiks from inner London coach them down here , shovel them into some tiny little sailing soap dishes and let them loose on the Medway.
A delight to watch,there is obviously somebody not far away to try and stop the terrors mixing it with some of the dredgers,but they do not appear to have lost any so far !
 
Way said:
I don't see it in the Solent though. the misses and I at 32 are always usually the youngest in the marina
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You some times see them in RIB's in the Solent they are normally about being "seen on the Solent" and the right places to go not about enjoying the boat.

As for being 32 and youngest in the marina, I was there once the situation only gets better. Stike that it only gets worse :rolleyes:

Babylon said:
Messed up country this. Rools is rools, and the only winners were the kids who were good liars.
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It does seem morally wrong then I can remember doing it as a kid to see the Canon Ball run on my birthday.

My daughter at 5 shranks to go under the kiddy bar at a Theme park, then magically grew to go on the rides. I did not ask her to she just knew it was a good idea...
 
Lakesailor said:
For some, maybe not.
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As soon as I could manage a boat on my own, I was allowed to go off on my own. First a rowing boat - mastered that during a holiday on the Norfolk Broads, when I was about 6 or 7. Later a Heron dinghy - was sailing that solo from perhaps 10 or 11? In my teens, practically anything that floated - I remember taking a cancas-covered wooden frame kayak across Loch Long from Ardgarten at some point in my teens! Didn't sail my Dad's Halcyon 27 solo until my late teens, but I could both sail and navigate by then. A major hobby during my teens was rope work and fancy knotting - I rememebr the Christmas when I got the Ashley Book of Knots!
 
mjcoon said:
But isn't there the problem that unless you keep taking your boat home, the cost of parking it will depend only on length and not on how basic or cheap it is?

Mike.
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That has hit the nail firmly on the head.

Few houses have sufficient safe parking for cars for parents and kids cars and a boat and once you're getting up to 22 foot that's a lot to tow around regularly.

There is a disconnect between the sailing industry and younger, connected people. People in their fifties didn't have the option when they were in their twenties to just google cheap moorings and see what came up. You had to go to the river, visit yards, clubs, ring up. Someone who can't imagine a pre google life knows that everything is online so will research online what cheap mooring is and will only come up with the larger places that invest in t'internet and are therefore not cheap. So unless you know that cheap clubs /yards exist the casual enquirer would go away with the impression that keeping a boat (especially in the south east) will cost several hundreds a year if not several thousand. Buying a £1k boat is not a problem, for some youngsters it's less than their car insurance. Spending the same again on mooring is a problem.

Can see a real role here for someone like BMIF to hold an online, searchable list of mooring providers, costs, locations, phone numbers etc to make it easy for casual enquirers to work out if they can run a boat.

Also think clubs that want to survive need to do more. Saw the hamble clubs do something new this year of a joint drive to attract new blood but do think more of that is needed. Young people are not attracted to a club that gives off the impression of being run by a group of stuffed shirts. So to be welcomed by the message that of course you can join - you just need to have an interview with the rear commodore cruising that's him in the blazer and then approved by a vote would make many young people run for the hills thinking what a stuck up bunch of prats, I'll take my money elsewhere - again, younger people are used to a customer friendly agenda where the customer is right, not where they will decide if the customer is good enough to be in their gang.
 
jac said:
That has hit the nail firmly on the head.

Few houses have sufficient safe parking for cars for parents and kids cars and a boat and once you're getting up to 22 foot that's a lot to tow around regularly.

There is a disconnect between the sailing industry and younger, connected people. People in their fifties didn't have the option when they were in their twenties to just google cheap moorings and see what came up. You had to go to the river, visit yards, clubs, ring up. Someone who can't imagine a pre google life knows that everything is online so will research online what cheap mooring is and will only come up with the larger places that invest in t'internet and are therefore not cheap. So unless you know that cheap clubs /yards exist the casual enquirer would go away with the impression that keeping a boat (especially in the south east) will cost several hundreds a year if not several thousand. Buying a £1k boat is not a problem, for some youngsters it's less than their car insurance. Spending the same again on mooring is a problem.

Can see a real role here for someone like BMIF to hold an online, searchable list of mooring providers, costs, locations, phone numbers etc to make it easy for casual enquirers to work out if they can run a boat.

Also think clubs that want to survive need to do more. Saw the hamble clubs do something new this year of a joint drive to attract new blood but do think more of that is needed. Young people are not attracted to a club that gives off the impression of being run by a group of stuffed shirts. So to be welcomed by the message that of course you can join - you just need to have an interview with the rear commodore cruising that's him in the blazer and then approved by a vote would make many young people run for the hills thinking what a stuck up bunch of prats, I'll take my money elsewhere - again, younger people are used to a customer friendly agenda where the customer is right, not where they will decide if the customer is good enough to be in their gang.
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We recently bought a new house from a builder. One of the covenants we had to accept was that we would NOT park caravans or trailers on our driveway. We probably could keep a small boat on a trailer on our drive, but we are obliged not to. As our boat isn't trailable, this wasn't an issue for us, but presumably lots of modern houses have similar constraints on what you can park on your drive. Sometimes the restriction may be because of underground works such as flood protection.

The problem with the "Google generation" hits science too! Too many young scientists assume that if research isn't on line, it doesn't exist. Of course, vast quantities of research are only available in paper form, pre-dating the internet. So it is amazing how often young scientists find they need to re-work their papers when an older, less internet oriented reviewer points out that so and so in 1903 had proved what they've proved (mea culpa; I've had that happen to me, too)! Major journals are digitizing their back issues, but of course lots of things were published in moderately obscure or no longer extant journals. If I recall correctly, Einstein's major papers on relativity were actually published in what these days would be an obscure journal!
 
Lots of housing developments have such covenants. Some are to maintain the designed street-look. Some are as a result of the land freeholders. We owned in a house built on Trinity House land on North Ferriby in East Yorkshire.
Basically if you weren't an accountant or doctor (professional) you couldn't fart in your own property.
 
Lakesailor said:
Lots of housing developments have such covenants. Some are to maintain the designed street-look. Some are as a result of the land freeholders. We owned in a house built on Trinity House land on North Ferriby in East Yorkshire.
Basically if you weren't an accountant or doctor (professional) you couldn't fart in your own property.
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My house has a covenant saying that I can't turn it into a gravel-pit, or erect a beam-engine :)

I'm certainly no expert, but my conveyancing book said that a lot of these covenants are legally unenforceable because they don't follow the rules. The two normal failings being either that they require you to spend money (which apparently can only be enforced in a contract between people, not a covenant that goes with land) or that they don't say who is supposed to benefit from you doing or not doing whatever-it-is (which is apparently necessary for a valid covenant). Others are practically unenforceable because the person they benefit is lost in the mists of time. I'm supposed to ask Mr Bloggs or his successors before building anything in front of the existing frontage of my house - but nobody knows who Mr Bloggs was or who his successors might be.

Pete
 
Quite unenforceable. I did fart frequently and never got a writ despite the fact that is easy to show who would suffer as a result.
I didn't keep rabbits though. That was specifically mentioned.
 
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