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Well, I haven’t, but I might get there! I popped onboard a Bav 35 Holiday today and was astounded by the space (although I have no clue if they sail well or not). I never thought my Westerly Storm was poky inside but this Bav felt like it would fit the Storm inside it!

So with the thought of more internal space, without sacrificing sailing ability, good manners, able to single hand without too much bother, able to look after the family if need be, max 38 feet and 6 foot draft, and with 35k to spend (sell the Storm and add some to it), is there anything that would fit the bill.......and be better than the Storm?

Your thoughts on a wet Saturday eve are much appreciated!

James
 
James W said:
So with the thought of more internal space, without sacrificing sailing ability, good manners, able to single hand without too much bother, able to look after the family if need be, max 38 feet and 6 foot draft, and with 35k to spend (sell the Storm and add some to it), is there anything that would fit the bill.......and be better than the Storm?

Your thoughts on a wet Saturday eve are much appreciated!

James
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https://yachts.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/dehler-37cws/575429

And will sail a lot better than a Storm. Designed by Van de Stadt. Electric winch & self-tacking should help with single-handing. Only downside is a single electric winch. The duo-CWS models are better.
 
James W said:
Well, I haven’t, but I might get there! I popped onboard a Bav 35 Holiday today and was astounded by the space (although I have no clue if they sail well or not). I never thought my Westerly Storm was poky inside but this Bav felt like it would fit the Storm inside it!

So with the thought of more internal space, without sacrificing sailing ability, good manners, able to single hand without too much bother, able to look after the family if need be, max 38 feet and 6 foot draft, and with 35k to spend (sell the Storm and add some to it), is there anything that would fit the bill.......and be better than the Storm?

Your thoughts on a wet Saturday eve are much appreciated!

James
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Go below to do a log entry, get knocked off balance by the boat's motion in a rough sea, fly six feeet across the saloon and smash your nose against the heads door? I'm not saying it's happened to me, but on a recent passage in a Sun Oddessy 41.1, we had to rig a lifeline from the companionway to the chart table There's a lot to be said for "poky"!
 
doug748 said:
Nothing says charter boat more than a linear galley. Fine boats, but does anyone really sell a Storm to buy a Bavaria? All respect if you do.

I have been looking for an excuse to draw attention to this:

http://www.red-ensign.com/boats/she-36/

Looks a cracking boat at the price.
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You’re right about the galley. I wasn’t thinking of selling the Storm to buy the Bav, I was just impressed by the internal space. Like i said, I have no idea how they sail, but would have soon found out if I were seriously thinking about purchasing.

That She is a stunning thing, a true sailor’s boat, thanks for putting that out there. I’d also love to trade up to a Westerly Typhoon, but they only built 40 and I can’t blame any owner for hanging onto one of them!
 
That would buy me 350 bottles of good single malt and I'll quietly accelerate to the time when I pop off my deck shoes. If any remains, my son and my daughter can use it as a fire-lighter on my boat when they give me the Viking funeral that I have always wanted. If they disobey I shall do my best to haunt them.
 
PuffTheMagicDragon said:
That would buy me 350 bottles of good single malt and I'll quietly accelerate to the time when I pop off my deck shoes. If any remains, my son and my daughter can use it as a fire-lighter on my boat when they give me the Viking funeral that I have always wanted. If they disobey I shall do my best to haunt them.
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:very_drunk::very_drunk::very_drunk:
 
The "Holiday" suffix Bavarias were primarily aimed at the charter market, and sold extremely well there. If you liked those, the "Lagoon" models will likely appeal to you even more. In a 350 Lagoon, you'll find a different interior layout (no linear galley), and being slightly older, those were a bit heavier displacement for their size, which some people find appealing. Harder to find though, as far fewer were made. Here are some pictures of one, which has already sold: https://www.devalk.nl/en/yachtbrokerage/200769/BAVARIA-350-LAGOON.html
 
James W said:
Well, I haven’t, but I might get there! I popped onboard a Bav 35 Holiday today and was astounded by the space (although I have no clue if they sail well or not). I never thought my Westerly Storm was poky inside but this Bav felt like it would fit the Storm inside it!

So with the thought of more internal space, without sacrificing sailing ability, good manners, able to single hand without too much bother, able to look after the family if need be, max 38 feet and 6 foot draft, and with 35k to spend (sell the Storm and add some to it), is there anything that would fit the bill.......and be better than the Storm?

Your thoughts on a wet Saturday eve are much appreciated!

James
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How much time do you spend in marina/at anchor socialising, compared to actually sailing, is a question you might ask yourself. Getting thrown across saloon, as opposed to easily negotiating your progress to the heads/galley/nav station, when not attached to the bottom/pontoon, should decide your choice of vessel.
 
Yngmar said:
The "Holiday" suffix Bavarias were primarily aimed at the charter market, and sold extremely well there. If you liked those, the "Lagoon" models will likely appeal to you even more. In a 350 Lagoon, you'll find a different interior layout (no linear galley), and being slightly older, those were a bit heavier displacement for their size, which some people find appealing. Harder to find though, as far fewer were made. Here are some pictures of one, which has already sold: https://www.devalk.nl/en/yachtbrokerage/200769/BAVARIA-350-LAGOON.html
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Not surprised it's sold, very nicely fitted out, they made some attractive boats at that stage.
 
alant said:
How much time do you spend in marina/at anchor socialising, compared to actually sailing, is a question you might ask yourself. Getting thrown across saloon, as opposed to easily negotiating your progress to the heads/galley/nav station, when not attached to the bottom/pontoon, should decide your choice of vessel.
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A very valid point. As with most things, there’s a trade off.
 
alant said:
How much time do you spend in marina/at anchor socialising, compared to actually sailing, is a question you might ask yourself. Getting thrown across saloon, as opposed to easily negotiating your progress to the heads/galley/nav station, when not attached to the bottom/pontoon, should decide your choice of vessel.
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The vast majority do not regularly sail in conditions where this becomes an issue which is one of the reasons why such boats dominate the market.

There is no "should" about it - you decide your priorities and then make your decision. There is no reason why oats like the Bavaria in question cannot be made suitable for sailing in more demanding conditions. Plenty of examples around to demonstrate this.
 
As a former Bav owner one consideration is manoverability in harbour. While you might prefer say an island packet for your Atlantic passage to a Bav when you come to park up in a marina this is where Bavs and such like shine through. For many arrival at a new marina is the most stressful and frequently encountered experience and so feature highly in considerations and for many with limited sailing time might be the activity which actually takes place more than any other.
 
Spyro said:
Unusual cockpit set up
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Yes. The idea is a central electric winch to handle all lines. It actually works very well but is maybe a marmite thing. Certainly worth the OPs while looking at any in reasonable travelling distance and if he can blag a sail because they sail very well. Then he can decide.

The later duoCWS models are better with two winches
 
lpdsn said:
Yes. The idea is a central electric winch to handle all lines. It actually works very well but is maybe a marmite thing. Certainly worth the OPs while looking at any in reasonable travelling distance and if he can blag a sail because they sail very well. Then he can decide.

The later duoCWS models are better with two winches
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Actually, my 36CWS has three winches, only one of which is electric. That handles are the halyards, reefing lines, and jib sheet when in self tacking mode. The winches on the coaming are for the Genoa, gennacker and spinny. Sailing single handed with the self tracker couldn’t be easier, and I also use the gennacker a lot (It’s on its own furler). I don’t have a Genoa (but I’m thinking of getting one for when I have crew) and rarely use the spinny. I’m not sure how many of the 800 that were built were used for chartering, but it has a linear galley which I find works better than the u shape arrangement.

The “faults” I’ve identified are that it’s really only a three berth, unless you are on intimate terms with one crew member, the cockpit locker could be larger (it won’t take my dinghy and my fenders) and the helm position is as far aft as possible, and doesn’t get much protection from the sprayhood. Other than that I couldn’t see anything at SBS of similar length that was worth swapping for, except I might be tempted by a Rustler 37 if I had a small lottery win (and a 42 if I hit the jackpot).
 
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