Yottie mags are getting boring what do you want to read about?

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There aren't any reef passes in the Solent, unless you want to stretch the definition to include the Needles Channel.

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Did you know.... nah forget it! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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Here you are . . .

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- Nick
 
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I've been buying the mags for years and I'm also getting totally bored with some of the articles namely:

* Blue Water
* Marina Handling - The most ludicrous being the rope on a stick on the pontoon.
* Chartering
* Inserts - that damned card one being the worst.

I just hope someone from the mags glances upon this thread and takes note.
 
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I kinda like to read about the blue water stories around January and Xmas time, but the year round "diary" is as dull as "sh#te". Like one of those "chain" e-mails sent at Xmas from a distant relative saying how the family are doing - in mind numbing detail.

Although I guess (??) like most readers I have not sailed in many places outside Europe, I think like many (??) other readers I have spent time in what were once called "exotic and faraway places" (in my case in "SEA" /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) - so the fact that someone on a boat has "discovered" where a cocunut comes from is not exactly the same news nowadays as it perhaps would have been 25 years ago. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Marina Handling articles - I very rarely understand them.

Chartering, well I guess their are folk who need to be "helped" (spoon fed) about how to go on holiday........... surprised they do not include related articles on how to find an airport in the UK /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif (But I guess it is an advertising thing)

Yeah............ that damned card.

I am quite happy if there are more than 2 articles a month I find of interest - some months I flick through them and do not buy them.
 
well i went to the outer moogly ( Havergate )islands this w/e very nice Adnams they had there to /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Oh & i don't often by any mags as they r to repetitive n borin. they all try to be "all things to all men " /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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Marina Handling articles - I very rarely understand them.

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They never did handle. It was a feeble marketing plan to make them seem like a rally car. Tony Pond had a bulk order of sienna coloured underwear.
 
Some years after getting back into boating I decided to do something about the crowing pile of old mags and started with a will removing articles, page by page, that looked like they were worth keeping.
Its a revealing exercise. Frankly, some issues went into the bin with nothing removed for keeping.
Categories of articles for archive: New boat review, Old boat review, Meterology and navigation, Projects & restoration, Electrical, Mechanical. Itineraries.
After a year of keeping the archive going I abandoned two categories; New reviews and Itineraries. The reviews of new boats were repetitious and meaningless. Itineraries comprise the places to visit features. Very South Coast/France biased and, again, repetitious.
I have found I go back on a regular basis to the projects, restoration tems which have become a good reference source, particulalrly the recent PBO run down of glues and adhesives and use of epoxy.
I enjoy the lessons to be learned, confessionals etc but these fall into the entertainment camp. Worth reading once, but to keep?
What would be good would be a complete series of articles on a restoration, be it motor or sail, wood or glass, rather than a skimpy "before and after" item that compeletely fails to edify or entertain.
If that works for Practical Classics...
 
Saving articles

Interesting that...
I've been compiling an index of interesting or potentially interesting articles as I've ploughed through back numbers of mags. I find that, although I enjoy reading YM, there are relatively few articles I index (mostly Destinations and boat/gear tests). I've indexed more from ST, and the few PBO's that I've bought (both have plenty of practical articles and local i.e. UK/Northern Europe cruising articles). Dunno whether this is a reflection on me or the magazines....
 
I used to take a shooting magazine once, in the days when it was ok to shoot creatures (not for me anymore, before you ask) I think it came out once a week or once a fortnight, but anyway, the same people seemed to write all the articles and they would have more than 1 article per issue and they all related to some interesting shooting expedition/learning thing, now bearing in mind that these 'experiences' probably lasted a day and not all expeditions could possibly have been interesting enough to have warranted an article and that the shooting season was broadly end August to end Feb with a few species all year, how could they have crammed it all in - they wouldnt have been gazing out the window making it up would they? - that wouldnt happen in sailing.
 
Bill

Think you have it in a nut-shell. I'm getting more and more impressed with Sailing Today - apart from the ubiquitous 'sailing handling by picture for morons' and the 'pull out and keep guide to any well known South Coast harbour' bit.

Donald
 
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Yes please. Add my name to the petition

I've "volunteered" to spend the winter helping to restore a classic 1960's cruiser and guess what caught my eye as browsed at WHS? That's right, October's PBO cover: "How John and Maureen restored a classic 1960's cruiser".

A fool and his money are soon parted and we were. I bought it thinking I'd learn something useful. Silly me!!!

This is what I learnt

the project took 6 years to complete
they found and cured many leaks and renewed all the deck fittings.
their house was fuill of wood dust and shavings
they renewed the uphostery
it took two years to complete galley, chart table, and nav area
floors and engine bearers had to be renewed and engine reconditioned
antifoul removed
rubber gloves soon disintegrate
skin on finger pads soon wears away
complete re-wiring proved to be a headache.

Am I any the wiser after reading this 3 page article? No I'm not.
In my opinion it is a prime example of +"a skimpy "before and after" item that compeletely fails to edify or entertain.

I'm a self confessed incompetant newbie but I can look at a boat and come up with a job list (of sorts) and what equipment needs replacing. What I need is some simple clear instructions on how to go about it. Phrases like "complete re-wiring proved to be a headache" or "the only sure way was to renew all the deck fittings" really don't help me at all.

I now know WHAT John and Maureen did to restore their boat: they replaced all the deck fittings, replaced the floor and engine bearers, renovated the interior, completely re-wired the boat and in the process filled their house with wood dust.

But I haven't a clue HOW they did it And that is where I think PBO is failing. With the exception of Marina Manoeuvres (I wish they'd manoevre it out of the magazine pdq) their "How to" articles don't always tell you how to.

sorry for the moan it's just that I'm annoyed that I recklessly spent £3.30 (that's a lot of Friday threepences) when I could have read it in WHS.

I'm off to sulk in the corner
 
Yoiu hit the nail on the head... I not only want to know what they did, I want to know how they did it.
Also, a general point. Maybe I am alone on this, but many of us have only been doing a particular level of sailing for one or a couple of seasons, and so appreciate some of the gems and nuggets of information..... and I understand that those that have been around for many seasons can become bored with articles on things they have already learned or done. I hope that I can quickly gain the same level and breadth of experience so that I will know most of the things that they are printing in the magasine
 
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