Twister_Ken
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Re: YM has \'right of way\'
Where would the plane display ball-diamond-ball?
Where would the plane display ball-diamond-ball?
YM has 'right of way'
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Fascadale
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I can remember sailing my 11ft Gull dinghy around the bay outside Puerto Pollensa back in the 1960s.
In those days there was a military seaplane base round the curve of the bay.(It may still be there) I think they had 3 or 4 planes but they used to use their Catalina at least twice a week.
I wasn't too strong on the Colregs in those days so I used to keep out of the way of the planes.
In those days I felt it was no contest and I wouldn't have been able to argue the toss in Spanish anyway.
I can remember sailing my 11ft Gull dinghy around the bay outside Puerto Pollensa back in the 1960s.
In those days there was a military seaplane base round the curve of the bay.(It may still be there) I think they had 3 or 4 planes but they used to use their Catalina at least twice a week.
I wasn't too strong on the Colregs in those days so I used to keep out of the way of the planes.
In those days I felt it was no contest and I wouldn't have been able to argue the toss in Spanish anyway.
PeterGibbs
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There must be sailors around (JJ are you there?) of certain vintage that remember just these circumstances, and what the conventions were to avoid a gentleman's gin being blasted by a passing aeroplane?
PWG
There must be sailors around (JJ are you there?) of certain vintage that remember just these circumstances, and what the conventions were to avoid a gentleman's gin being blasted by a passing aeroplane?
PWG
binch
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Re: YM has \'right of way\'
This problem is common in the Bahamas. Perhaps the biggest aspect of the problem occurs when the wind is strong and then the seaplane on floats cannot manoeuvre at all.
Sp far as I am aware, seaplane pilots recognise that they are totally responsible when taking off or landing, but that when Taxi-ing, they "do their best". My daughter is director of a caribbean seaplane company and says this problem does not generally crop up because both sides are reasonable and neither want to die.
But seaplanes cannot turn at all in strong winds and usually have to wait for assistance.
Flying boats are different. They can behave like boats.
This problem is common in the Bahamas. Perhaps the biggest aspect of the problem occurs when the wind is strong and then the seaplane on floats cannot manoeuvre at all.
Sp far as I am aware, seaplane pilots recognise that they are totally responsible when taking off or landing, but that when Taxi-ing, they "do their best". My daughter is director of a caribbean seaplane company and says this problem does not generally crop up because both sides are reasonable and neither want to die.
But seaplanes cannot turn at all in strong winds and usually have to wait for assistance.
Flying boats are different. They can behave like boats.
Salty John
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Check out my video earlier - that's in the Bahamas. The pilot did a fine job but it was a bit nerve wracking in such a small anchorage!
Check out my video earlier - that's in the Bahamas. The pilot did a fine job but it was a bit nerve wracking in such a small anchorage!
peterb
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Re: YM has \'right of way\'
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So far as I am aware, seaplane pilots recognise that they are totally responsible when taking off or landing, but that when Taxi-ing, they "do their best". My daughter is director of a caribbean seaplane company and says this problem does not generally crop up because both sides are reasonable and neither want to die.
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I suspect that that is the reason for the rule. The pilot knows that he will be the give way vessel, and therefore won't put his aircraft into a position where he might have to give way. And he knows that with the big speed differential other craft would find it very difficult to give way. Imagine what would happen if the rule went the other way, and said that seaplanes should be treated as restricted in ability to manoeuvre. Do you think that the seaplane pilot could go wherever he (or she) liked, knowing (or at least, believing) that other craft would have to get out of the way?
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So far as I am aware, seaplane pilots recognise that they are totally responsible when taking off or landing, but that when Taxi-ing, they "do their best". My daughter is director of a caribbean seaplane company and says this problem does not generally crop up because both sides are reasonable and neither want to die.
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I suspect that that is the reason for the rule. The pilot knows that he will be the give way vessel, and therefore won't put his aircraft into a position where he might have to give way. And he knows that with the big speed differential other craft would find it very difficult to give way. Imagine what would happen if the rule went the other way, and said that seaplanes should be treated as restricted in ability to manoeuvre. Do you think that the seaplane pilot could go wherever he (or she) liked, knowing (or at least, believing) that other craft would have to get out of the way?
Mudplugger
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Did as delivery trip from Barcelona/Port Grimaud in April last year, while taking cover from the Mistrale in Casseete? watched three largish sea planes landing/Loading and dumping loads of water....obviously practising for the summer fire season.....amusing to see a fishing boat and french yachtie straying into path of said aircraft and receiving large dollops of wet stuff deposited on them...looked like several hundred gallons.....they did turn round tho! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Did as delivery trip from Barcelona/Port Grimaud in April last year, while taking cover from the Mistrale in Casseete? watched three largish sea planes landing/Loading and dumping loads of water....obviously practising for the summer fire season.....amusing to see a fishing boat and french yachtie straying into path of said aircraft and receiving large dollops of wet stuff deposited on them...looked like several hundred gallons.....they did turn round tho! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Twister_Ken
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Re: YM has \'right of way\'
The famous 'canadairs"
The famous 'canadairs"
Ariadne
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Having shared an anchorage with these things for a couple of days last summer, they tend to taxi out very loadly into the runway bit, turn into it and give it huge rpm taking off in cloud of spray and noise. Landing is the opposite and you don't know where the bugger is going to touch down. Keep a listening watch on 16.........we never heard anything about thier moovements!
Still, if its me or a seaplane; the seaplane wins every time regardless of ColRegs!
That also mention that it is everyones duty to avoid collision at all times.
Having shared an anchorage with these things for a couple of days last summer, they tend to taxi out very loadly into the runway bit, turn into it and give it huge rpm taking off in cloud of spray and noise. Landing is the opposite and you don't know where the bugger is going to touch down. Keep a listening watch on 16.........we never heard anything about thier moovements!
Still, if its me or a seaplane; the seaplane wins every time regardless of ColRegs!
That also mention that it is everyones duty to avoid collision at all times.
Sgeir
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Twister_Ken
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All this talk of seaplanes makes me wonder whether Boeing and Airbus have got it wrong. No fuss about expanding Heathrow, if intercontinental jets could land on the Thames and drop their passengers off at Tower Pier.
All this talk of seaplanes makes me wonder whether Boeing and Airbus have got it wrong. No fuss about expanding Heathrow, if intercontinental jets could land on the Thames and drop their passengers off at Tower Pier.
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Re: YM has \'right of way\'
We had daily seaplane flights in the harbour all summer, but they have stopped for the winter. Up to the pilot to choose a safe landing/ takeoff route- if you are doing 70 knots, yachts doing 5 knots are virtually stationary. A 50 knot mobo appearing from round the end of Calve island might be interesting, though I have never seen anything that quick up here.
We had daily seaplane flights in the harbour all summer, but they have stopped for the winter. Up to the pilot to choose a safe landing/ takeoff route- if you are doing 70 knots, yachts doing 5 knots are virtually stationary. A 50 knot mobo appearing from round the end of Calve island might be interesting, though I have never seen anything that quick up here.
AngusMcDoon
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Where boats and sea-planes are concerned, I reckon the best course of action (whatever the colregs say) is for the boat to take every opportunity to avoid getting into a position where the rules come into play. Just stay well clear of a plane on the water with its engine running. There are so few around it's not an onerous request.
As for being in the wrong place when a sea plane is landing, I don't think that is likely to happen. Either a patrol boat will request boats to keep clear, or the pilot will do a go around or go somewhere else. The last thing a pilot will do is land with an obstruction nearby.
I've not flown sea planes, but I fly helicopters, and quite often something or someone is obstructing the landing site, or wanders into view. Pilots who land off-runway are accutely aware of this. We always have an escape planned. With an escape available it's the easiest thing to open the throttle and accelerate away, have another go, or find somewhere else.
Where boats and sea-planes are concerned, I reckon the best course of action (whatever the colregs say) is for the boat to take every opportunity to avoid getting into a position where the rules come into play. Just stay well clear of a plane on the water with its engine running. There are so few around it's not an onerous request.
As for being in the wrong place when a sea plane is landing, I don't think that is likely to happen. Either a patrol boat will request boats to keep clear, or the pilot will do a go around or go somewhere else. The last thing a pilot will do is land with an obstruction nearby.
I've not flown sea planes, but I fly helicopters, and quite often something or someone is obstructing the landing site, or wanders into view. Pilots who land off-runway are accutely aware of this. We always have an escape planned. With an escape available it's the easiest thing to open the throttle and accelerate away, have another go, or find somewhere else.
