Yachts with open plan interiors 26-30ft

Tranona,

I have never been so insulting as to say you post ' rubbish ' even when you do !

It's a sad state of affairs when ' common ' sense is so rare as to skip straight past some people...:rolleyes:
 
Tranona said:
That's the problem with labels like "bluewater" - everybody is supposed to have the same view of what they mean. Plenty of Bavarias like mine have crossed oceans and been chosen by long term cruisers. Equally plenty of long keel, heavy displacement, cutter rigged, compartmentalised interiored, handhold rich boats have never got further than the Needles!
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I agree. Even worse is the term 'serious bluewater'.
 
Seajet said:
I've been in open plan boats and traditional layout ones, 20' upwards, in waves; the open plan jobs were definitely more troublesome as soon as things got lumpy, and one tends to get thrown athwartships a lot more than lengthways, though both are a pain.

Try it !
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Well I have tried it, most extreme was I did biscay in a storm in a boat with an 18 ft beam. Monohull. Full width saloon. Needed the handholds for sure. I don't like cramped boats so open plan is good.
 
Hanse 292 is an open plan version of the 301 and sails very well.

As it is pretty much the same layout as the 301 I don't think you need to worry too much about getting thrown about.


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Seajet said:
Open plan layouts are an invitation to disaster; a seagoing boat should have limited distances to get thrown around, coupled with handholds.

I found this to be true when test sailing a Hunter Horizon 27.
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So your sailing of one particular model gives you an emphatic view of all others! The MG 27 has an open plan layout with "semi-bulkheads"and plenty of hand holds. A Vancouver 28 3 berth also has an open plan layout bar the heads!!
 
Seajet said:
Tranona,

I have never been so insulting as to say you post ' rubbish ' even when you do !

It's a sad state of affairs when ' common ' sense is so rare as to skip straight past some people...:rolleyes:
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It is not an insult. Just a fact! Can't you get it into your head that Colin was asking for suggestions of a boat to buy that fits what he is looking for. So if you launch into a tirade about handholds and seagoing boats, then in the context of the question it is rubbish! When did "common sense" become an issue? He is only looking to buy a boat of a type that thousands of others buy so seems to be a pretty commonsense decision to me.

It is YOU that is insulting Colin by suggesting he does not know what he wants - just as you often do, but don't seem to be able to see it, despite many others pointing it out to you.
 
E39mad,

just because my signature mentions Anderson 22's does not mean I have only sailed those boats !

I make a point of sailing every different boat possible, and would be interested to count the designs I have sailed compared to those you have.
 
Depends on the age of boat you're looking at and what you want it to do....
Etap did a 28 that was quite open plan, nice boat, little quirky, but good none the less.

Off the wall thinking here, if you want a pretty weekend boat with sitting head room you could go for the Alerion 28 or Saffire 8 IIRC then there is the link/mystery 30. If you could go bigger you could go for the Beneteau 323, some had an open bulkhead up front I think, or a RM 960 (or is it 920), or if you want really fast and open plan a Beneteau figaro, pogo or sunfast 3200 ;) but the last three really are devil's children :D
 
Seajet said:
E39mad,

just because my signature mentions Anderson 22's does not mean I have only sailed those boats !

I make a point of sailing every different boat possible, and would be interested to count the designs I have sailed compared to those you have.
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You're focusing on the Anderson again. I'm not. My last comment was based on your mention of a Hunter 272!

This is not the thread to compare what has been sailed!
 
shaunksb said:
Hanse 292 is an open plan version of the 301 and sails very well.

As it is pretty much the same layout as the 301 I don't think you need to worry too much about getting thrown about.


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Excellent sailing boat... Iirc it's the old Finngulf hull.
 
Seajet said:
I've been in open plan boats and traditional layout ones, 20' upwards, in waves; the open plan jobs were definitely more troublesome as soon as things got lumpy, and one tends to get thrown athwartships a lot more than lengthways, though both are a pain.

Try it !
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Seajet all terms are relative. Colin asked for an open plan of a certain size. What some would consider "open plan" for say a 24' boat would merely fit in a small cabin on a larger boat! No one disagrees about the need for handholds but we all need to consider what a sailing boats really needs to be for ourselves. I don't like motor boats and love sailing but I avoid going out in anything more than a F6, I don't cross oceans and our AWB suits our needs. During a recent 30 days sailing holiday to North Brittany, & CI's regretfully we could not sail more than about 10hrs due to lack of wind and its suits us to turn on the 75HP engine if we are doing less than 5-6kts.

This may not suit you but it suits us. I would add that by necessity I have had to beat into a F7 and sailed our 36'Dufour in a F8 and they handled it OK - not the most comfortable nor as good as my friend Rustler but the fact is in 15yrs sailing I would prefer our choice of boat over the Rustler for 99.5% of the time.

IMHO one of the biggest problems in sailing is the number of men that end up sailing on their own as they have bought a smaller boat with few creature comforts, has a dark depressing interior and small portholes. It may be long keel, built solidly with 3" thick GRP and could cross oceans even in a F8 but its not what most females want to be in. The important things for SWMBO on our boat are the separate shower cubicle, the lightness inside with deck saloon windows and cream faux leather upholstery and NEVER going out in high winds or too slowly. I accept these things (including never having the toe rail in the water - reef down early) and I then have a wife to share my passion.

I am happy that you are happy with your Anderson but please be as happy for others that have chosen differently but that choice suits them.

If poster ask for specific advice then contribute but please don't think your one size fits all is correct advice when its completely contrary to the OP.

COLIN - still waiting for a reply from you - are you attending Scuttlebutt Cherbourg this year - your presence will ensure a charity auction!!!
 
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I have a Hunter Legend 27 (2007) which is open plan and suits me and SWMBO just fine. It has a very roomy saloon and a huge aft berth but of course, a small forepeak. As we don't have kids to bung in the forepeak at night it is used purely for storage - a perfect configuration.
 
Sailfree said:
Seajet all terms are relative. Colin asked for an open plan of a certain size. What some would consider "open plan" for say a 24' boat would merely fit in a small cabin on a larger boat! No one disagrees about the need for handholds but we all need to consider what a sailing boats really needs to be for ourselves. I don't like motor boats and love sailing but I avoid going out in anything more than a F6, I don't cross oceans and our AWB suits our needs. During a recent 30 days sailing holiday to North Brittany, & CI's regretfully we could not sail more than about 10hrs due to lack of wind and its suits us to turn on the 75HP engine if we are doing less than 5-6kts.



This may not suit you but it suits us. I would add that by necessity I have had to beat into a F7 and sailed our 36'Dufour in a F8 and they handled it OK - not the most comfortable nor as good as my friend Rustler but the fact is in 15yrs sailing I would prefer our choice of boat over the Rustler for 99.5% of the time.

IMHO one of the biggest problems in sailing is the number of men that end up sailing on their own as they have bought a smaller boat with few creature comforts, has a dark depressing interior and small portholes. It may be long keel, built solidly with 3" thick GRP and could cross oceans even in a F8 but its not what most females want to be in. The important things for SWMBO on our boat are the separate shower cubicle, the lightness inside with deck saloon windows and cream faux leather upholstery and NEVER going out in high winds or too slowly. I accept these things (including never having the toe rail in the water - reef down early) and I then have a wife to share my passion.

I am happy that you are happy with your Anderson but please be as happy for others that have chosen differently but that choice suits them.

If poster ask for specific advice then contribute but please don't think your one size fits all is correct advice when its completely contrary to the OP.

COLIN - still waiting for a reply from you - are you attending Scuttlebutt Cherbourg this year - your presence will ensure a charity auction!!!
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Sailfree,

I am even more confused than usual, as I was pointing out any boat other than an Anderson 22 !

The Hunter Horizon 27 being an example of an open plan interior I personally was not enamoured with, there are plenty of boats with a modern slant on ' traditional ' interiors which keep one in place rather than richocheting between sides and bulkheads.
 
Seajet said:
Sailfree,

I am even more confused than usual, as I was pointing out any boat other than an Anderson 22 !

The Hunter Horizon 27 being an example of an open plan interior I personally was not enamoured with, there are plenty of boats with a modern slant on ' traditional ' interiors which keep one in place rather than richocheting between sides and bulkheads.
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Not really sure where you found all this space to richochet around in?

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