NealB
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Otherwise what would I read. .....
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I find some books are good to read (often much better than magazines).
Yachting Monthly
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snooks
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Often the case when books have hundreds of pages to enthral and capture the reader, taking them off to far away places, in YM they get 6 if they are lucky
.....Could you imagine reading Desperate Voyage in Yachting Monthly, and it having the same impact?Both have their place, but books won't replace magazines and vice versa
It has to be said there are also a large number of self-published books, some of which really should have been
NealB
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Often the case when books have hundreds of pages to enthral and capture the reader, taking them off to far away places, in YM they get 6 if they are lucky
Both have their place, but books won't replace magazines and vice versa
It has to be said there are also a large number of self-published books, some of which really should have been
Yes....I agree with all of that!
(Can I go back on the Christmas card list now, please?)
snooks
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jwilson
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It is a Garmin 3005C - bought as a boat's Christmas present in Nov after seeing working indoors, but not used in sunlight onboard till May the next year.
A1Sailor
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Not a peep about Snooks cover design - I guess that's why he hasn't been appointed Editor yet... Perhaps if Saucy Sally sailed round the horn she'd get her own thread on Scuttlebutt!Wot? Like this?
I presume the lady on the front cover isn't wearing a lifejacket because she has her own; and is called Mae West.
Taxi!
mjcoon
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Blueboatman
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Snooks could be onto sommat tho
A whole new field of journalism to explore.
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Inside this weeks Grotty Yottin:
Saucy Sally encounters The Brighton Belle
Readers wives confessions
Desperate boat wives
The mile wide club, to heads up displays, banging round the bouys.
All with very high res pictures
A whole new field of journalism to explore.
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Inside this weeks Grotty Yottin:
Saucy Sally encounters The Brighton Belle
Readers wives confessions
Desperate boat wives
The mile wide club, to heads up displays, banging round the bouys.
All with very high res pictures
toad_oftoadhall
New member
On the one hand there's always *some* good stuff in YM even if you have to search a bit. The Bob Shepton article was amazing.
On the other hand Keiran Flatt's notorious "legal issues abroad" article killed any interest I had in checking out YM to find those articles. I know journos are too overworked to check things properly these days but surely it wouldn't have hurt to do some very basic checking. Literals and errors are one thing, this was another.
My normal YM buying behaviour was a good flick through in Tescos and if I really enjoyed one of the articles, I'll buy it in gratitude IYSWIM, and enjoy the rest. Thanks to *that* article I check out Motorcycle Sport and Leisure instead. (So I suppose YM might have printed a correction/appology for the Flatt article and I've missed it!)
I suspect I'm the only person who cares about accuracy in mags, and I hardly ever buy so I doubt YM will miss the pittance they would have made out of me. So in the grand scheme of things it won't matter to them. (Which is sad in itself.)
Tidewaiter2
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'ang on, I fink yer wrong
But how did he put his face in the glacier, without a photo first?
[Pedantic mode on]
Hurrumph.....I think you'll find that Slarty Bartfast was responsible for the "crinkly bits round Norway" when the Earth was constructed. His skill with a camera was never documented I think?
[Pedantic mode off]
Sorry, couldn't resist! Do all your technical staff come from the Hitch Hiker's Guide??
But how did he put his face in the glacier, without a photo first?
toad_oftoadhall
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On the subject of old YMs, anyone remember the B+W advert with a girlie in a swim suit saying "call that tweaked my bra straps tighter." It was in every time, I'm sure.
As a teenage lad before the internet, if my brother wouldn't lend me his porn mag (which he never would) that advert was the only **** material available.
Anyone prepared to scan and post for old time's sake?
toad_oftoadhall
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Wot? Like this?
My phone won't read the barcode. :-(
snooks
Active member
You're not. Everyone here at YM cares about accuracy, but some times errors get through, in YM we have the writer, the deputy editor, the editor, the sub/production editor, and then it's read one last time by Maxine who's been on the magazine longer than anyone would dare to remind her even so errors get though. That's not to excuse errors though, but it gives you an idea of how many times something is read before it's printed.
Occasionally errors in the copy, are taken out and put in again by someone else...unfortunately we're not all omniscient. Some one will change one thing, that will then get changed to make the copy fit and in the end with the emphasis shifted slightly.
As an example: one of my features I wrote about installing a windlass that "It's possible to use welding cable" it got changed to "I used welding cable" there was obviously over matter that needed cutting down so the text would fit the page. I didn't notice the change until it came out in print.
We do try to get the magazine error free, we don't put them in on purpopse
toad_oftoadhall
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Yeah, but Keiran Flatt's foreign law article wasn't just a few errors sneaking through. It was hundreds of words that he must have just guessed from half remembered rumour or maybe from an old foreign book. Either way it had not been fact checked. It wasn't a mistake, it was more of a case of "Oh s***, I've got 2000 words to write and no time to research, I'll just write whatever pops into my head and hope nobody notices.". And nobody did - until it got published.
I feel quite guilty for whineing on like this. There's so much good stuff in YM. The sailing news stories are often news to me. There's always *something* good and most critisism is people picking the one or two stories they *don't* like. I they adopted the other approach and looked for stuff they *do* like they'd find it, in spades.
Seven Spades
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That's the idea sales up 200%
A1Sailor
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You're not. Everyone here at YM cares about accuracy, but some times errors get through, in YM we have the writer, the deputy editor, the editor, the sub/production editor, and then it's read one last time by Maxine who's been on the magazine longer than anyone would dare to remind her even so errors get though. That's not to excuse errors though, but it gives you an idea of how many times something is read before it's printed.
Occasionally errors in the copy, are taken out and put in again by someone else...unfortunately we're not all omniscient. Some one will change one thing, that will then get changed to make the copy fit and in the end with the emphasis shifted slightly.
As an example: one of my features I wrote about installing a windlass that "It's possible to use welding cable" it got changed to "I used welding cable" there was obviously over matter that needed cutting down so the text would fit the page. I didn't notice the change until it came out in print.
We do try to get the magazine error free, we don't put them in on purpopse
But those who know anything about risk management know that that isn't the best way to go; surely. The more people that are responsible for checking, the less attention each individual pays.
Swiss Cheese anyone?
Boomshanka
New member
A classic case of Moral Hazard
toad_oftoadhall
New member
I know for a fact that every time they make a mistake Paul Gelder personally clamps their goolies in a vice.
So they do pay attention.
This also explains why Snook's tackle is so tiny.
Lucky Duck
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YM did issue a correction a month or two later but as I recall it only covered the web address which listed the kit required when visiting France rather than any of the substantive points being made. Presumably YM stands by its contents?
Capt Popeye
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it would not have happened before Computerisation of copy
bloody cut and past
NB ..... if it fits, its OK
what is needed is Bloody Yachtsmen writing copy
