justanothersailboat
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If you make a new boat with a "traditional style" interior you also need to find a buyer who wants that style AND doesn't want an old boat. Surely a small niche.
Yacht interiors
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Wansworth
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That means the best bit of the boat is occupied for very little time…….you can hove too
Supertramp
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Very true. Who wants a modern hull, deck layout and rig with a throwback interior.
Eventually the generation which grew up with cramped, damp, dark interiors will be replaced with a new generation. My kids would be in the latter, I'm still happy with wet hanging lockers, manual toilets, chart tables and portholes.
johnalison
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An interior doesn’t have to be dark and dank to look comfortable, as shown by the Herreshoff photo. I am no longer in the market for new boats but if I were, it wouldn’t be a stripped-out look that attracted me. I think that there is still a market for a more bespoke look, and I suspect that the better-off sailors from the Netherlands and Germany will be dictating what happens at that end of the market.
yimkin
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When looking at other people's sailboats I try to envisage how I would move safely between cockpit and forepeak whilst hard on the wind in a seaway. Many more modern boats are beamier than earlier designs and with limited purpose-built handholds.
lustyd
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I’ve yet to see one without handholds. They’re just better integrated. Mostly people don’t head for the fore peak either as the hood berths are at the stern!
johnalison
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A handhold at waist height is of little use in a seaway; it has to be above one's head. The larger spaces in many of today's boats make seaworthiness harder to achieve, though I admit that my experience of large yachts is limited to my friend's 46' Island Packet which was particularly bad in this respect.
doug748
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Dinosaur. You need to crouch low and move carefully between each item of furniture. It helps if you have the grasp and reach of a baboon.
lustyd
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Where on earth did you pull that from? Any handhold is a good handhold if you need one. How do you imagine short people cope with your ceiling based holds? Or children?
johnalison
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Waist-high holds, such as the fiddles on the Galley or side-table in the modern boat photo are OK in harbour but you get no purchase when the boat is at an angle. We have good holds on the cabin head which any normal teenager can reach, and children can blooming well look after themselves. Better still is a pillar found on many older boats, but being thrown down onto a table with nothing else to hold is unsafe and uncomfortable.
lustyd
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I’m sure you probably believe what you’re saying but honestly it’s in your imagination. There’s nothing wrong with the holds on most modern designs and your assertion that short people should just bugger off is ridiculous.
I can’t work out whether you’ve made it up to justify your position on design or if you’ve come up with reasons why the design is right over years of looking at it. Either way, you’re wrong.
I can’t work out whether you’ve made it up to justify your position on design or if you’ve come up with reasons why the design is right over years of looking at it. Either way, you’re wrong.
johnalison
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Your needlessly perjorative reply would want to deny me the right to an opinion that I would not choose a boat that forced me to negotiate the saloon without handholds at at least shoulder height. This is not wrong but just the opinion of someone who actually knows what it is like to be at sea. If I want to make a jest about children that passes over your head I will do so I'm afraid.
lustyd
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You were stating as fact your opinions about design. I said you're welcome to your opinion, and I'm sure you believe it, but nothing you said had any basis in fact or design thinking. The professional yacht designers are well versed in such facts, and are building yacht interiors which cope very well with weather. The handholds on the roof were usually for convenience since they through bolted to the coachroof holds, nothing more.