sighmoon
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Bavaria 55 cruiser. Sounds like your missus could be persuaded to get a bigger boat.
Yacht designers are bonkers
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In a...
Bavaria 55 cruiser. Sounds like your missus could be persuaded to get a bigger boat.
Daedelus
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Possibly like the story told by John Goode who said the captain of a ship remarked he was impressed by Goode as when he brought the tea the skipper got a full mug. John showed us taking a bid swig from the mug, keeping it in his mouth while he carried the tea to the bridge and then before going into eyesight, putting the mouthful back!
Greenheart
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That's a good point. We had a little chopping board, knife and limes for cocktails in the Topper. It's always easier to clear away mess, in an area that's awash!
That interior is conspicuously designed to appeal to SWMBOs, who'll always prefer that the yacht isn't required to heel more than 5º anyway.
Most SWMBOs would prefer that Monsieur had put the boat-fund in a pot to spend on six weeks each year at a hotel in an exotic location...
...so from the yacht marketing-department's P.O.V., it must make sense for the interior to vaguely resemble a completely immobile West End pied-à-terre, because it makes Madam much less hostile to the initial purchase.
Stork_III
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jwilson
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Bit of a broach on starboard tack and you might have 11 bottles of red wine across the cabin sole, hopefully not too many broken. But you don't sell new boats to be sailed - you sell them to sit in sunny marinas.Unrelated to that issue, but here's the work of a bonkers yacht designer:
Imagine you're hard on the wind, and it's a bit choppy.
How would you carry cups of tea from that galley to that cockpit?.
pathfinderstu
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Viewed one of these yachts at a recent boat show beneteau sense 50. my friend with me a complete yachting novice was horrified at the noise all the squeaky floor panesl made, if you got up in the middle of the night for a pee you would wake the boat.!
my thoughts on latest square/oblong fashion designs in hatches tables etc are very sharp corners if you happen to fall against them .
maybe am just getting an old cycnical fuddy duddy.
my thoughts on latest square/oblong fashion designs in hatches tables etc are very sharp corners if you happen to fall against them .
maybe am just getting an old cycnical fuddy duddy.
armchairsailor
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You've all missed the point - it's not the designers, but the builders (and a lack of critical eye for detail) that are to blame for the impracticalities...
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Tomahawk
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In reply to the OP..
Boats are designed to look pretty at the boat show and appeal to the rear Admiral ... After all if you can't get a buyer you can't continue to build boats.. things like location of seervicable items comes a long way down the list..
To Whit... a few years ago we went to the boat show with some friends.. They were in the market for a new Bene27.. He is looking at the rigging mast and sails,,, She asked about the colour schemes for the cushions and curtains. Perfect opportunity for him making a big mistake.. Says he, "cushions don't matter"..
Says she "in which case I don't see any point in buying any boat if it doesn't look nice inside" and steps off the boat... He went and got ratted at the Guiness stand to compensate for his mistake..
Boats are designed to look pretty at the boat show and appeal to the rear Admiral ... After all if you can't get a buyer you can't continue to build boats.. things like location of seervicable items comes a long way down the list..
To Whit... a few years ago we went to the boat show with some friends.. They were in the market for a new Bene27.. He is looking at the rigging mast and sails,,, She asked about the colour schemes for the cushions and curtains. Perfect opportunity for him making a big mistake.. Says he, "cushions don't matter"..
Says she "in which case I don't see any point in buying any boat if it doesn't look nice inside" and steps off the boat... He went and got ratted at the Guiness stand to compensate for his mistake..
Croak
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Marrying the wrong woman?
pathfinderstu
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I dont think i have missed the point at all.
The builders are just following the architects and designers specifications and instructions.
Phoenix of Hamble
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Quite....
sailorman
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the builder / fitter certainly not the desginer
Ex-SolentBoy
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This is possibly true, but the builders are supposed to tell the designers what they want!
I have been involved with interior layout specification on boats and it is not as easy as you may think. You are working within a very small space and almost everything is a compromise.
If you want to think through every single issue and get the layout done in such a way that your personal priorities are considered, then go to a builder like Rustler Yachts. That's what we did and the Rustler 44 had everything exactly where we wanted it.
We actually chose to not put the galley near the companionway. Our choice. The boat can be built either way, but for us passing tea up is non issue as we have mugs with screw-on tops for passage making. A raised seating area was way more important to us and putting that near the steps, over the pivot point of the boat made for the best sea-berth as well.
Not everyone wants the same thing from a boat. Not everyone bashes to windward all day. For some, comfort at anchor is more important. That's fine with me.
Daydream believer
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I suspect the critics are the ones that could not afford one
The people that can afford them buy them
That is why they are made like that
Demand & supply!!
Do you really think those involved care a toss about what a bloke with a clapped out old bilge keeler thinks
The people that can afford them buy them
That is why they are made like that
Demand & supply!!
Do you really think those involved care a toss about what a bloke with a clapped out old bilge keeler thinks
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Greenheart
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Daydream believer
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Greenheart
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It's a lot more than cushions, isn't it? The whole layout is trying hard to be as different from trad yacht interiors as possible...it's more like a small city apartment.
You know and I know, most married men preparing to spend the cost of a house, on a yacht, will be aware of madam's differing priorities...
...and however resigned she may outwardly seem about his sailing obsession, for lasting private peace, he'll more readily buy a boat that she approves of.
Not claiming my ineradicable dislike for this style of yacht is itself unarguably right...but I reckon they're mostly chosen as a 'best-compromise', by the head of a family-group whose needs and priorities are diverse. Hence the bright spacious blandness, like a luxury people-carrier. I'm genuinely sorry if I offend.
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onesea
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I sailed a few times with some people who bought a brand new 50 odd foot British built boat...
I was also around when they bought, so many things on that boat could of been improved. Simple things like winch positions being moved a few inches, sea-cocks and handrails in better places.
I tried not to criticize but the basic layout just suffered from a lack of thought, heaven knows what the finer points where like...
The owners comment was, you should of seen some of the others!
Money or not I do not think I could buy a new boat and be 100% happy with it... Maybe that's why so many change hands after a few years?
I will never be in the situation to find out....
I was also around when they bought, so many things on that boat could of been improved. Simple things like winch positions being moved a few inches, sea-cocks and handrails in better places.
I tried not to criticize but the basic layout just suffered from a lack of thought, heaven knows what the finer points where like...
The owners comment was, you should of seen some of the others!
Money or not I do not think I could buy a new boat and be 100% happy with it... Maybe that's why so many change hands after a few years?
I will never be in the situation to find out....
tjanna
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Your are absolutely right, designers are nuts!
I live with one and have worked with a few, so speak from first hand experience.
The biggest problem is that most designers won't have a clue about the practicalities and are only interested in the finished result. The builders will only complain if the assembly is difficult, so maintenance won't even be an issue.
The best boats will be designed by sailors, who are also boat builders.
I live with one and have worked with a few, so speak from first hand experience.
The biggest problem is that most designers won't have a clue about the practicalities and are only interested in the finished result. The builders will only complain if the assembly is difficult, so maintenance won't even be an issue.
The best boats will be designed by sailors, who are also boat builders.
jbweston
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The twin banes of modern yacht design are that (1) they keep changing ('improving'?) the designs and (2) they have to build the boat down to a price. A good designer and builder could do either one of the two, but trying to do both means that they don't have time to refine the design in a long production run, nor can they spend enough on the build to fiddle around getting them right from the start early in the run. Add to that the relentless pursuit of internal volume . . .
It's easier to find a boat that's well designed if you can ignore (1) or (2), or even better both of them. Buying a 'conservative' design costs something in lack of 'marina appeal' (which matters a lot to some people). Buying an expensive boat costs more in pound notes, which sadly isn't an option for some of us.
But this is why some of us end up buying fairly old-fashioned designs and paying two to three times as much for them as for the low cost bang-up-to-date 2013-model plastic fantastic.
It's an old truism in project management that you can have it quick, cheap and working, but not all three on any one project. In boat building you can have it up-to-date, cheap and well designed/built, but not all three in any one boat . . .
It's easier to find a boat that's well designed if you can ignore (1) or (2), or even better both of them. Buying a 'conservative' design costs something in lack of 'marina appeal' (which matters a lot to some people). Buying an expensive boat costs more in pound notes, which sadly isn't an option for some of us.
But this is why some of us end up buying fairly old-fashioned designs and paying two to three times as much for them as for the low cost bang-up-to-date 2013-model plastic fantastic.
It's an old truism in project management that you can have it quick, cheap and working, but not all three on any one project. In boat building you can have it up-to-date, cheap and well designed/built, but not all three in any one boat . . .