Yacht Capsizes
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Rustyknight
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Koeketiene
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And a 999-call too - no MayDay, no EPIRB...
Shock - horror /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Still, happy to hear everyone is OK
Shock - horror /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Still, happy to hear everyone is OK
brianrunyard
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A Mayday is a bit trickey from a capsized vessel, the antenna (and probably the radio) would have been several feet underwater.
sailorman
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Thats Wot Appens with "NO Radio Check " init
what Class was she
i assume not made in Germany
what Class was she
i assume not made in Germany
Koeketiene
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Wot /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif No handheld VHF, no grab bag, no liferaft /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Off to the swindlery
Off to the swindlery
simonfraser
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a bavaria ?
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"45 feet long, 14 crew on board". Doesn’t take many brain cells to work out that it was a racing machine!!!
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"45 feet long, 14 crew on board". Doesn’t take many brain cells to work out that it was a racing machine!!!
AIDY
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Not a Mcgregor-26 match
Noddy
Member
Only one hull? Theres your problem!
Searush
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One hull's been fine for over 2,000 years - just as long as it retains a keel to match the sails.
clyst
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14 crew on a 45 ft yacht seems alot ?? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Seven Spades
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If you keel break off I would imagine that you would go over really quickly. Would you swim back down into the upturned hull to find a grab bag in the dark?
It does not surprise me that they could not use a radio and don't possess an EPIRB, not many do. However, I am always surprised at anyone who does not have a life-raft with a a hydrostatic release, and in that life-raft should be some flares.
It does not surprise me that they could not use a radio and don't possess an EPIRB, not many do. However, I am always surprised at anyone who does not have a life-raft with a a hydrostatic release, and in that life-raft should be some flares.
Marsupial
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Quite right, when things happen they happen it seems they happen very quickly. They would have a liferaft, probably two or more, they may have deployed automatically but are trapped under the hull. They would probably have an epirb and that could be trapped as well. This event has demonstrated that having the gear is only part of the story, it seems that these guys simply did nt have enough time to use it. Thankfully they were all wearing lifejackets and there was no loss of life - it certainly makes me think about what my crews chances of survival would be in similar circumstances (catestrophic failure and inversion) - at the moment me thinks not great - hmmm
Porthandbuoy
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Wasn't the crew of The Black Pearl looking for the green flash was it?
Searush
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(cut) it certainly makes me think about what my crews chances of survival would be in similar circumstances (catestrophic failure and inversion) - at the moment me thinks not great - hmmm
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Yeah, but, honestly, what is the risk of a keel dropping off a family cruising boat? And I have a twin keeler, so risk is significantly less! Even on a fin keeler, you would probably notice something amiss before it fell off.
This was an Open 60, state of the art racer with design taken to the limits of safety. Only other similar incidents I can recall were ALL racing boats. Can anyone recall it happening to a cruiser?
(cut) it certainly makes me think about what my crews chances of survival would be in similar circumstances (catestrophic failure and inversion) - at the moment me thinks not great - hmmm
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Yeah, but, honestly, what is the risk of a keel dropping off a family cruising boat? And I have a twin keeler, so risk is significantly less! Even on a fin keeler, you would probably notice something amiss before it fell off.
This was an Open 60, state of the art racer with design taken to the limits of safety. Only other similar incidents I can recall were ALL racing boats. Can anyone recall it happening to a cruiser?
landaftaf
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you have prompted me into delving into the black hole of 'what if'
I agree, bilge keel = slower cruising (maybe a knot and crap pointing)
fin keel = faster passage times but a greater worry of it failing
so, now just in the process of buying either fin keel (memshaibs preferance - a moody) or a westerly bilge keeler ..... sturdy brickshithouse sort of yot
what would forum say
I agree, bilge keel = slower cruising (maybe a knot and crap pointing)
fin keel = faster passage times but a greater worry of it failing
so, now just in the process of buying either fin keel (memshaibs preferance - a moody) or a westerly bilge keeler ..... sturdy brickshithouse sort of yot
what would forum say
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buying either fin keel (memshaibs preferance - a moody) or a western bilge keeler ..... sturdy brickshithouse sort of yot
what would forum say
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I think there is a greater chance of broaching a bilge keeler and loosing someone overboard than sudden loss of a fin keel.
buying either fin keel (memshaibs preferance - a moody) or a western bilge keeler ..... sturdy brickshithouse sort of yot
what would forum say
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I think there is a greater chance of broaching a bilge keeler and loosing someone overboard than sudden loss of a fin keel.
Searush
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buying either fin keel (memshaibs preferance - a moody) or a western bilge keeler ..... sturdy brickshithouse sort of yot
what would forum say
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I think there is a greater chance of broaching a bilge keeler and loosing someone overboard than sudden loss of a fin keel.
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Broaching!!! You're taking the pee now aren't you!!
Not every one wants to sail on the edge all the time, I have outsailed fin keelers from time to time (ok so they weren't always sailed that well) but twin keelers ain't necessarily much slower or worse pointing, although I do accept it is a useful stereotype.
By & large I enjoy sailing if the wind suits, but will motor if it don't - broaching has never been a risk in 25 years of sailing bilge keelers - nor have I ever lost one of the kids over the side(although I did drop SWMBO in the mud once). Get real; "racing types" who sail like that wouldn't be seen dead in a twin-keeled cruiser.
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buying either fin keel (memshaibs preferance - a moody) or a western bilge keeler ..... sturdy brickshithouse sort of yot
what would forum say
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I think there is a greater chance of broaching a bilge keeler and loosing someone overboard than sudden loss of a fin keel.
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Broaching!!! You're taking the pee now aren't you!!
Not every one wants to sail on the edge all the time, I have outsailed fin keelers from time to time (ok so they weren't always sailed that well) but twin keelers ain't necessarily much slower or worse pointing, although I do accept it is a useful stereotype.
By & large I enjoy sailing if the wind suits, but will motor if it don't - broaching has never been a risk in 25 years of sailing bilge keelers - nor have I ever lost one of the kids over the side(although I did drop SWMBO in the mud once). Get real; "racing types" who sail like that wouldn't be seen dead in a twin-keeled cruiser.
Just pick the boat that suits your sailing & enjoy it. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
boatbuilder
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And 2 hulls where commonly used before that. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif