Yacht at anchor East Head !!

[Just_sayin']

And no-ones ever hurt themselves lifting/dropping anchor. Gotcha. What a relief.

Both my boats have windlasses and it's rare to have to go near the chain but it's when it goes wrong that things can escalate.

I'm sure those of you supporting these seemingly non-essential free-spirited voyages would also support the notion of these free spirits isolating themselves even if injured.

 

[[163233]]

And no-ones ever hurt themselves lifting/dropping anchor. Gotcha. What a relief.

Both my boats have windlasses and it's rare to have to go near the chain but it's when it goes wrong that things can escalate.

I'm sure those of you supporting these seemingly non-essential free-spirited voyages would also support the notion of these free spirits isolating themselves even if injured.

You sound like an accident waiting to happen...

 

[Old Harry]

If they are already on the boat, surely the greater risk would be to sail to a port and then drive to a land dwelling ?
We don't know if the boat is their home.
Marinas are in lock down, and I think the least harm they could do is to stay on their boat, ideally anchored.
But sometimes you need to change your anchorage
Anchoring is surely the ultimate in social distancing (unless someone else anchors within 2 metres of them).

It often happens in my experience, 1 anchored boat is akin to a GRP magnet

 

[RobF]

... and no-one ever fell down the stairs at home, or caught their finger in a door. Everywhere we live there are risks and we do our best to avoid them. Sure, there are are risks being on a boat, we all know and understand them. There are also risks being at home.

 

[FlyingGoose]

And no-ones ever hurt themselves lifting/dropping anchor. Gotcha. What a relief.

Both my boats have windlasses and it's rare to have to go near the chain but it's when it goes wrong that things can escalate.

I'm sure those of you supporting these seemingly non-essential free-spirited voyages would also support the notion of these free spirits isolating themselves even if injured.

I appreciate this can be a concern but it is all hypothetical and works out in percentages , I have no idea what he percentage chance of this boat needing help or if they have the virus , but I would assume it would be extremely low , with factors like the weather and a good maintained boat .
Yes they have broken the spirit of the isolation but not the rules unless they scaled their marina , we can scorn them all we like but that is about it , every time we go boating we put other lifes at risk should we stop it or are we convinced we have set out with the best possible odds not needing to be rescued , but then the poo hits the fan but it is random and low probability on a well maintained boat and competent crew, yes we have no idea of this on this boast but that is what opinions are for I guess
I am not in favour of complete lock down but follow the guidelines and I do not travel to my boat , but I would like to think that we can be a little flexible when we see people out side or driving some have very good reasons

 

[Just_sayin']

Good post FG, but the risks to ourselves remain the same, virus or no virus. It's something we all accept and in general deal with.

However, and it's a big however, the NHS is beyond breaking point (please don't get political) and we should be doing all we can to limit the risk of involving rescue services, A&E services and possibly taking a bed.

Anyway, enough. Let's hope they all keep well and don't need rescuing ... unlike the selfish git a few days ago off Christchurch

 

[FlyingGoose]

Good post FG, but the risks to ourselves remain the same, virus or no virus. It's something we all accept and in general deal with.

However, and it's a big however, the NHS is beyond breaking point (please don't get political) and we should be doing all we can to limit the risk of involving rescue services, A&E services and possibly taking a bed.

Anyway, enough. Let's hope they all keep well and don't need rescuing ... unlike the selfish git a few days ago off Christchurch ☹

Agreed the spirit has been broken and it is a selfish act , but that is how people are, we have all met them stay safe all

 

[jbweston]

The English regulations on leaving home say 'No person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse' - The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 (SI 2020/350), Regulation 6(1). The legislation contains no exhaustive list of reasonable excuses. It lists some that are reasonable but leaves open that there are others - possibly a great number of others.

If the people on the boat live aboard (even just for duration of the lockdown) it would be a breach of the regulation to leave the boat without reasonable excuse. Arguably moving the boat wouldn't be forbidden by the regulation - it would depend on whether the courts interpreted a boat as a 'place'. If they considered the mooring or anchorage (not the boat) as the 'place where they are living' then it would be an offence for the people to move from that place 'without reasonable excuse'.

Even if they don't live aboard, perhaps they have a reasonable excuse, perhaps they don't.

Derbyshire Police have made a laughing stock of themselves by confusing the law with what they think people should do - trying to pillory people for acts which are perfectly legal.

The point of the legislation and good practice is to prevent people coming into contact with people other than the ones with whom they live. There's an awful lot of ARP Warden Hodges put-that-light-out-ism around. Perhaps we should be grateful that even in these difficult times, the modern day followers of Warden Hodges provide us with something to laugh about.

 

[Trident]

If they do live aboard and at anchor as some do then whilst not specifically mentioned in the list of excuses, moving to a safer place would make sense to me if, say wind or wave direction changed. Would you prefer they stayed in danger rather than move?

 

[Blue Sunray]

They have also been anchoring off (last night Seaford, now East Head) rather than going into marinas unlike some of the others still moving. Gives something to watch anyway.

 

[FlyingGoose]

hypothetical
What if this 2 high risk people of older years , that got to their boat before lock down and packed it with food and had a water maker and set sail with the understanding of they will not dock on land until they deem safe for their own health , they have provided for themselves and need no help, out with an emergency that also could happen at home
Should we begrudge these people are they sensible or are we all jealous cause there sailing

 

[stevie69p]

There are an awful lot of necks on this forum that need wound in!

 

[LadyInBed]

RNLI would still be tasked & put themselves at risk.

On that basis no one should ever go to sea in case some unforeseen event causes an RNLI callout.

 

[rotrax]

Bored

You would be.

You are a paragon of virtue, never had a car accident, why should rules apply to you?

Perhaps your aspergers limits your ability to see the other side of a debate clearly.

It appears to limit your acceptance of sensible precautions.

IMHO, of course.

 

[rotrax]

On that basis no one should ever go to sea in case some unforeseen event causes an RNLI callout.

I have absolutely no doubt the RNLI would be ready at any time, for any emergency.

But risking their crews health by possibly contracting CV19 by using a boat is, IMHO, irresponsible and possibly unlawful.

NZ has the highest ratio of boat ownership per capita in the world.

Leisure boating has stopped, no sailing, no motorboating, no fishing from boats.

And these advisories are being complied with.

From my observation in Wellington Harbour, 100%.

We can see most of the Harbour during our daily walk from Brooklyn Hill.

 

[Sharky34]

On that basis no one should ever go to sea in case some unforeseen event causes an RNLI callout.

Not for pleasure purposes during the lock down, no.
Commercial shipping may be doing something useful & essential.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

There seem a lot of folks about peeping from behind curtains and trying to dob up their neighbours without checking facts. We seem to need a good clear out.

 

[Stemar]

We seem to need a good clear out.

I've got a little list...

 

[Muddy32]

A good reason to switch off transmit on AIS.

 

[LadyInBed]

Not for pleasure purposes during the lock down, no.
Commercial shipping may be doing something useful & essential.

I don't say that they should be out for a Jolly, we don't know why they are there, but applying all these what if's is a scaremongers dream.
Yes, they should be at home, as I am, but today I have a hospital appointment which I will attend because I've been asked to, now according to you I am putting my local NHS and all around at risk, but as far as I know I'm not virus positive as I've been at home for more than a couple of weeks. I think I am putting myself at more risk than anyone else, but life has to be lived.