Wow! Now your crew are actually employees - or so says a lawyer!

snowleopard said:
I've looked at a few press reports on line and found nothing to indicate what really happened on board yet several posters seem to have a detailed knowledge of her attitude and behaviour on board. Where is this all coming from? Or is it just invented?
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It's based on the curious idea that she is a woman and therefore needs to have some sense raped into her.
 
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If she wins this case, what compensation is she going to get? Will they have to "re-employ" her? I suppose bad employers have to pay back a percentage of the salary - but she wasn't paid! If she was wronged why not just sue through the normal channels, rather than risking bizarre legal precedent?
 
Seajet said:
She paid up to go on an adventure and took part in a training cruise, what more briefing does one want unless going for a trip on the Space Shuttle ?! :rolleyes:
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OK, yes, fine. So she was prepared for what should have happened. Why are you so sure that that's what actually happened?
 
Seajet said:
Why are you so keen to back the side of a fat lawyer against a world renowned sailor ?!
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The world renowned sailor wasn't on the boat, and I really don't see that his sailing exploits have much to do, either way, with the matter in question. We have absolutely no evidence one way or another about what went on, save that the woman in question feels strongly enough about it to take action. There is no reason automatically to support either side. In any case your claim that she is "trying it on" may well be defamatory and is an unwise one to make.
 
Seajet said:
Why are you so keen to back the side of a fat lawyer against a world renowned sailor ?!
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I've seen no sign that JD is particularly keen to take the side of the lawyer; merely that he is pointing out the crass, ignorant, prejudice directed at her because she is: 1. a woman; 2 fat; a lawyer.

If you were to give up making assumptions that she is the problem and wait to see the evidence before you jump to conclusions then may be your opinion would have some value. In the meantime you give the very strong impression that you are intimidated by women and by lawyers.
 
JumbleDuck said:
The world renowned sailor wasn't on the boat, and I really don't see that his sailing exploits have much to do, either way, with the matter in question. We have absolutely no evidence one way or another about what went on, save that the woman in question feels strongly enough about it to take action. There is no reason automatically to support either side. In any case your claim that she is "trying it on" may well be defamatory and is an unwise one to make.
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Especially when she has already taken RKJ to court.... Of course RKJ has more money so he is more worthwhile taking to court...
 
JumbleDuck said:
And do the organisers have different obligations to someone who is paying £40,000 for the experience than they would have to a paid employee?
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I would expect so. Which may well be important.

There are two completely separate issues. The only one under consideration at this time is. Was she an employee.

I think not. But good for you for having an open mind and not jumping to conclusions about her complaint
 
JumbleDuck said:
Ah. And that makes promotion of rape and sexual violence OK, does it?
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I'm saying get a grip; you're reading far too much into everything that's said and are really twisting things in a way that's not, quite frankly, right.

One of the great things about life is differences between people and their interactions. We all enjoy sailing which is a wide-ranging sport with chilled out cruisers at one end and ocean-girdling racers at the other. Whilst it sounds like a wonderful life-enhancing experience to race around the world, the reality will be completely different -- hard work with fractious teams in an extreme environment. The slightest issues, including personality defects, will be magnified beyond all reality and the team, under extreme pressure and stress, are very likely to turn on people.

Personally, it doesn't appeal. But then again, I've enough experience to work out that it would be damn unpleasant.

As for paying £40k which, I assume, doesn't grow on a tree, *and* giving up a year of one's life/career, I too would be quite disappointed if not angry if the experience wasn't that which I expected (especially if I wore my rose-tinted spectacles). Whereas most people would walk away from the experience and pick up the pieces, it seems to me like this person is resorting to their core skill-set and chucking around a bunch of CV-enhancing sue-balls.

Now the conjecture - my opinion. I wonder if the two are related; not having a good experience in a team full of racers and the inability to walk away without resorting to the law.

Of course I wasn't there. Nor was anyone else on this forum here. However I doubt very much that most of @JumbleDuck's fears would have occurred. Not least that one would be too damn tired to do anything other than stand your watch, eat, then get your head down.

I'll part with this: if I were on a boat doing serious sailing and one of my watch wasn't pulling their weight or were causing problems, I would be exceedingly hacked off as it puts more pressure on me. Unfortunately you can't just throw them overboard along with the chocolate fire-guard and umbrella. Words would be exchanged and they would be unpleasant.
 
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Damn. I have run out of popcorn.
Just popping out to the shops for a refill.

If this thread were surrealist art, it would have some very odd shapes on the canvas.
 
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