Wow! Now your crew are actually employees - or so says a lawyer!

RTWer said:
that is the link to my blog. glad you liked. she is the woman I talk about at the end of the blog, the round the worlder who left in Brest. Clipper should have never let her join in the first place. Their lax ways around "selection" bit them on the arse on this one. I doubt she could fit easily in her boat companionway nevermind help change a sail...but they took her fee regardless...
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Says a lot ...
Having read some of hour blog, I am not sure you had as good a time as you could have wished for. So the question comes to mind, would you be prepared to offer testimony in defense of the organisors or against them?

As you say, she should not have been allowed to join, but once joining should the skipper have done more...?
 
Lakesailor said:
I think that is the point. we are not looking at a team player here. She has had her expectations dashed and doesn't want to look too closely into the mirror.

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If as you say, not a team player. I don't much fancy her employment prospects afterwards.

Not only has she failed to stay in the team but she then alienates the race orgainsers by taking them to court. Would you give a job to someone like that knowing their record?
 
Tomahawk said:
If as you say, not a team player. I don't much fancy her employment prospects afterwards.

Not only has she failed to stay in the team but she then alienates the race orgainsers by taking them to court. Would you give a job to someone like that knowing their record?
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Nice tits though.
 
JumbleDuck said:
Yes. I don't hold being a victim of harassment against people.
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You raise an interesting issue.

If, and it is an if until decided in the tribunal, she suffered harrisment, was it because she is femail, because she wears glasses, because she is fat?

Or did she contribute to her own situation and isolation in the crew by some action of her own?

Did she let the team down?
Did she fail to stand her watch?
Did she eat all the grub?
Did she complain about sharing personal space
Did she block the heads with tampons creating a big problem to others?

There a too many things we don't know
 
RTWer said:
that is the link to my blog. glad you liked. she is the woman I talk about at the end of the blog, the round the worlder who left in Brest. Clipper should have never let her join in the first place. Their lax ways around "selection" bit them on the arse on this one. I doubt she could fit easily in her boat companionway nevermind help change a sail...but they took her fee regardless...
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This is one of the bad things about the delay in moderation (which I do of course understand the reason for). I just deleted/edited the two posts I made drawing attention to RTWer's blog comments about selection and the lady mentioned in the final post after seeing Tomahawk quote this and wondering how on earth I missed it. Now I understand: first post....moderation delay...the most relevant post on the thread probably missed by most of the readers...
 
I paid for a go on a fairground ride, then much to my surprise and consternation discovered it involved great heights and high speeds; it was very traumatic and despite the advertising and briefing I thought I was on the Tunnel Of Love - I could do with a few megabucks, so who do I sue please ?
 
alant said:
They are fully aware of what to expect.
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Whilst accepting that you may be in a much better position to gauge this than I, I still wonder if this is true. I don't think the general public have the slightest concept of what it's like to be in a biscay gale at night, never mind the southern ocean. I've seen self-described keen sailors freak out with 3 reefs in when the clipper crews would probably be fighting with spinnakers. The blogs that have been linked to do suggest that by the time they are definitely aware of what to expect, they've parted with a very, very large sum of cash. RTWer expresses the opinion that the selection procedure which is supposed to eliminate people who are physically or mentally unlikely to be able to cope is ineffective. If you look at the bulliedonboard blog there's a note from one of the training skippers obtained under the freedom of information act expressing the opinion that the author has no idea what she's let herself in for.

The physical challenge aside, I also question whether everyone would anticipate the group dynamics which result from a disparate bunch of physically and mentally stressed and sleep deprived people crammed into a racing boat for months on end.

The drop-out rate might give us some indication of whether the selection procedure is effective at weeding out those whose expectations are not consistent with reality. Anyone know what it is?

Seajet said:
I paid for a go on a fairground ride, then much to my surprise and consternation discovered it involved great heights and high speeds
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I will argue that only a minority of the general public who Clipper Ventures market their product to will a priori grasp the physical, mental and especially social challenges of this race. The question is whether the company have an effective enforcement of a metaphorical "You must be this high to ride" sign and whether that is placed obviously before the ticket booth.
 
Whilst prospective voyagers need to be of a competitive nature, lawyers seem particularly unsuitable as they are, by the nature of their job, trained to be more combatative than competitive.
I would imagine they would be the number one group of professionals who would find creating harmony in a disparate bunch of crew members a step too far. It doesn't take more than a glance or a badly thought-out comment to create tension amongst a group of driven people like those who would take on an ocean race.
 
I've looked at a few press reports on line and found nothing to indicate what really happened on board yet several posters seem to have a detailed knowledge of her attitude and behaviour on board. Where is this all coming from? Or is it just invented?
 
It might be pertinent to remind people that making defamatory statements on a public forum can be dangerous. When they concern a lawyer with an inclination to sue on her own behalf it could be considered foolhardy.
 
Tomahawk said:
If as you say, not a team player. I don't much fancy her employment prospects afterwards.

Not only has she failed to stay in the team but she then alienates the race orgainsers by taking them to court. Would you give a job to someone like that knowing their record?
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Since when, have lawyers, been team players?
 
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