Would you refuse this offer?

Danny Jo

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You have just capsized your dinghy in a clumsy attempt to board it from the stern step. You had taken the trouble to release the ladder earlier (because the 17-22 knot easterly blowing over a contrary tide had made conditions a bit bouncy when you were transferring newly varnished floor boards earlier today), so you are out of the water in no time at all, cursing your carelessness in donning a hydrostatic lifejackets instead of the manual one. The oars are nowhere to be seen, presumably trapped under the capsized dinghy, so you jump back in to recover the oars, remembering as you flounder in the water that the painter, which you are holding, is not made fast. What with waterlogged dinghy, painter, tide, unfastened crotch strap, and a big hat pushed forward by lifejacket so you can't see, you consider yourself reasonably successful in losing only the rowlocks and the can of two-stroke. You're back on board, and have hoisted the dinghy and outboard clear of the water on the main halyard when the Beaumaris inshore lifeboat appears.

"You OK?"

"Yes thanks"

"Do you want a hand?"

"Well that's very kind," you say, "I wouldn't mind some help getting the outboard off the dinghy so I can right it and bail her out."

The very efficient lifeboat people remove the outboard, you ease the main halyard, and, in a jiffy, there's your dinghy astride the big rib.

"Can we give you a lift back," is the kind offer. Your preference is to sort yourself out, you are not minded to become one of the MCA's dodgy boating accident stats, and you have a dinghy, a set of oars and a spare set of rowlocks. However, you are supposed to be meeting your daughter off the train in 3 hours time, and your 1 Nm journey to the slip will be against a tide rising from the present 0.5 kt to perhaps 2 kt. A phone call would quickly sort alternative transport for daughter, but the mobile in your jacket pocket has just died of salt water poisoning.

The domestic commitment clinched it, of course, but this isn't going to look good in the club, is it? Could you have refused the offer of a lift, especially since it might be interpreted as a snub by the men and woman who have so generously given up their time to assist you?
 
Yes, I would refuse. I am already a statistic on an inshore lifeboats wall for accepting a lift when I was perfectly safe but thought about the convenience of getting back to shore before the tide went out.

I was friends with everyone on board and thought it was a genuine offer.
 
You are wet. You are cold. You are probably just a little bit shocked. You have 20 knots of wind and a rising strength tide.

The lifeboat is presumably going home anyway.

What's the problem? Every minute spent getting you to shore warms you, calms you, strengthens you and in the event of a 'real shout' would probably have got you that much nearer to the shore so that you could SAFELY continue on your own.

I have been in MANY positions where I would have appreciated a tow had it been offered but we coped on our own.

Still wouldn't have stopped me accepting the offer tho'.

(Lost gearbox drive off Chausey ...Volvo splines!!! ..... got massive net round prop in Violet Channel SE of Jersey .... broke crankshaft in Torbay...no wind ..... COPED)
 
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your 1 Nm journey to the slip will be against a tide rising from the present 0.5 kt to perhaps 2 kt

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Yes I'd refuse. Apart from the embarassment, even if the tide is the full 2 knots, I can still make the 1NM journey in 50 mins or so, giving me over 2hrs before I meet the train.

Or if I have to get to the slip in the dinghy - probably going close inshore will mean a weaker tide. And it's only 0.5knots just now.

Or ask the lifeboat guys if you can call your daughter on their phone.
 
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You are wet. You are cold. You are probably just a little bit shocked. You have 20 knots of wind and a rising strength tide.

[/ QUOTE ]Sounds just like the a definition of financial side of boat ownership to me..... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously though.... I agree, the circumstances are very relevant.... if you are genuinely cold, and have no means of warming up or getting dry, then for sure take the lift.... if its really just a case of avoiding the inconvenience of not getting back in time, then IMHO, take it on the chin, and get the rollocking from SWMBO....
 
I had plenty of dry clothes on the boat, food, and a bottle of Rioja left over from last year. When I think about it, the thought of a rollicking from the wife clouded my judgement. As it is, I got a rollicking anyway.

When I got ashore, the mooring man whose lost jumbo buoy I had recovered earlier today (from an eddy underneath the suspension bridge) lent me his mobile.

"What's wrong with yours?" says other half.

"It got wet as I was getting into the dinghy," says I. (The mobile is four years old.)

"This boating lark is getting too expensive," says other half. Thinking of the outboard, the second I had dunked in nine months, I felt that further comment would be out of order.
 
Not too bad a write-up:

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1st. May | 4:16 pm | E 3 | Near Cadnant Bridge
Holyhead Coastguard requested launch to investigate a report of a person in the water near the moorings off Cadnant Bridge. The casualty had fallen into the water while boarding his yacht.
When the lifeboat arrived on scene the casualty had managed to re-board his yacht and was taken by the lifeboat to Menai Bridge pier where he had left his car


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From here.

I think you were already a statistic even before you accepted the lift. Must be a bit of dented pride, but which way around would you prefer it: There even if you don't need / want them, or not there if you do?

A big hand for 'fessing up. though /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Andy
 
That is the problem isn't it, paperwork. It is written up as a rescue when in fact by the time they arrived he was out of danger by his own means. He was offered a lift to shore and he said yes, I mean why not, they are sitting there, engine running, fast boat, be ashore in minutes. (this plays out almost exactly as what happened to me.)

I refused at first, but the cox suggested they had to go back to the beach to chat with the CG and tell him, so I might as well get a lift. I had been sailing a mirror dinghy with a mate and after a few practice capsizes we found out the bouyancy tanks were leaking. When she came up there was so little freeboard that 2 of us could not get back in. He sailed her to the beach and bailed and I climbed onto one of the moored yachts to await his return.

Some kind hearted old biddy saw this and called the CG. The CG (my geography teacher grrr!) thought I might try to swim back before the tide ebbed. Actually I was drying out my fags on the deck and enjoying the sun and caberet that was starting to appear around the CG truck a distance away onshore.

Next minute the duck arrived and the rest is history.

So no I would have taken the lift, but <u>never</u> ever again.
 
Sounds like a no brainer to me. If you wanted to stay aboard, dry off, drink your wine, then row ashore against a 2 Knot tide.. refusal would be the order of the day....

If you were ready to go, would be glad to get ashore, and werent relishing the thought of a long hard row, where you would be getting nowhere fast, acceptance with grace.

Who gives a monkeys if you become a statistic, (as has been said, you were one anyway). You definitely werent inconveniencing the lifeboat... they offered, and would be glad to see you ashore, rather than possibly having to rescue you properly when you fell in again, and got washed away by the tide. If there's another shout.... how much time would they lose dropping you ashore a mile away.... they would be heading that way anyway.

Not sure I get the resistance to becoming a lifeboat rescue statistic?
 
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Not sure I get the resistance to becoming a lifeboat rescue statistic?

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Try being on the crew of one boat and your name being a statistic on a neighbouring station? /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
'Not sure I get the resistance to becoming a lifeboat rescue statistic?'

Where's your dignity Richard? You're an Englishman dammit! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
How about accepting the lift, but giving a false name? That should keep everyone happy.

By the way, what about that guy on Seaside Rescue in the kayak? Both lifeboats called out for no particular reason, then even after they'd found him and made sure he was happy to continue on his own he was still kept under survellence and referred to as a "casualty".
 
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'Not sure I get the resistance to becoming a lifeboat rescue statistic?'

Where's your dignity Richard? You're an Englishman dammit! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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Gave up worrying about what other people think a long time ago /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Kind of understand the lifeboat crew thing, bit embarrassing I guess, but you could look at it as mildly amusing, and a bit of entertainment for your "mates" at your expense.
 
Did some MOB practices with red ensign safety a while back and they reckoned the biggest cause of fatalities was shock of going in cold water.

If you were sort of ready for it or weren't going to have a major problem with delayed shock then please yourself. However, if the shock hits you later in the conditions you describe you might be another statistic (and that's 2 in the same day!)
 
I reply both as a lifeboat crew member, and as someone who has accepted the offer of lifeboat service in the past.

I would say it is more prudent to accept the offer of a quick lift/tow, than to risk return under own steam (when cold/wet/tired building wind/tide), and potentially need the lifeboat later on if hypothermia sets in, you tire/fall in by which time its maybe dark and the whole scenario becomes more serious - better to be tow/lift statistic, then end up in an ambulance bag - but its an individuals choice.

On our patch I can recall people taking each option - and also an occasion when we have been called out to a vessel in need of help that had earlier declined the offer of a simple tow.
 
No then /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Does this mean that I was right first time?
 
Isn't pride a dangerous thing? Accept the lift. However embarrassed you may feel it's not as bad as you'd feel if you found yourself losing strength to row or if (cold and wet) you made another mistake and went in again. I'm guessing you have no other lifejacket on board? You did the right thing saying yes.
 
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