Workshop manual Sabre Perkins 265Ti

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Hi all

Does anyone have the above. I need detailed info on the cooling circuits both fresh and salt. Golden Arrow bless them are more than willing to supply one at £130 plus delivery. Happy to part with a few drinking vouchers for a view. PM if you prefer

Thanks
Stuart
 
Worshop Manual

Sadly guys no go.

I am boatdiesel member, already checked it out, only owners manuals I am afraid.

Dot 4 6.354 marinisation done by guys in Peterborough, Phaser base marinisation was slung over the wall to Poole to be done. Quite different.
 
That engine is so easy to work out the flow routes, the heat exchanger is on the side of the engine, just follow the hoses from the pump through to the exhaust elbow, id say at such a low rpm overheat it will be something very simple.
 
stuartwineberg said:
Hi all

Does anyone have the above. I need detailed info on the cooling circuits both fresh and salt. Golden Arrow bless them are more than willing to supply one at £130 plus delivery. Happy to part with a few drinking vouchers for a view. PM if you prefer

Thanks
Stuart
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sorry, can't help whatsoever... but just thought I would say you have a very nice boat!
 
Tell me more about phaser

Latestarter1 said:
Sadly guys no go.

I am boatdiesel member, already checked it out, only owners manuals I am afraid.

Dot 4 6.354 marinisation done by guys in Peterborough, Phaser base marinisation was slung over the wall to Poole to be done. Quite different.
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I am setting up my own thread creep here but I have heard the term phaser in connection with my engines before. I am not an engineer so go gently - what's the history?

Thanks
Stuart
 
Thanks All

stuartwineberg said:
Hi all

Does anyone have the above. I need detailed info on the cooling circuits both fresh and salt. Golden Arrow bless them are more than willing to supply one at £130 plus delivery. Happy to part with a few drinking vouchers for a view. PM if you prefer

Thanks
Stuart
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Just a quick thank you to everyone who replied - I love this forum for its openness and support
Cheers
Stuart
 
So have you!

Firefly625 said:
sorry, can't help whatsoever... but just thought I would say you have a very nice boat!
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Thanks - I reckon all the Hardy's are good looking boats - lots of character. if you are thinking of upgrading to a 36 let me know - might be interested in an offer (apols to the mods if I shouldn't be saying that!)
 
stuartwineberg said:
Thanks - I reckon all the Hardy's are good looking boats - lots of character. if you are thinking of upgrading to a 36 let me know - might be interested in an offer (apols to the mods if I shouldn't be saying that!)
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as do I!

as for an upgrade I'm always thinking about it..... If you are feeling very charitable, or really really fancy a straight swap... the answers yes... if you are wishing for ready cash, sorry, right at the moment I'm not the person you seek! :)
 
stuartwineberg said:
I am setting up my own thread creep here but I have heard the term phaser in connection with my engines before. I am not an engineer so go gently - what's the history?

Thanks
Stuart
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Are you sitting comfortably.

Back in the early 80's Bedford Trucks (General Motors) was still a major player as a World truck producer (around 250 per day). Bedford needed to develop a new truck, however due to poor planning they needed a new engine and new cab design both at the same time.

The Perkins 6.354 was on its final design iteration the Dot 4 and a bundle of money a big volume customer was needed to do a new engine. The predicament at Bedford Trucks was heaven sent. 6.354 was originally designed around the CAV rotary fuel pump, although some Dot 4's used Bosch rotary pumps any new engine needed front gear train in order to mount both rotary and inline fuel pumps for higher power outputs. The new engine HAD to be able to use much of the existing tooling and come down the 6.354 line.

Sady when 85% of the work was done on the new automotive engine called the Phaser, Daddy GM back in the US horrified by mounting development costs and falling sales pulled the plug on Bedford trucks. Behind the scenes GM were variously bidding for MAN, as well as trying to talk Thatcher Government into taking Leyland Trucks off their hands. However life was real complex as Leyland was in the process of also developing a new truck to be in direct competition Bedford using a licence built Cummins engine to come out of the modern Bathgate plant, but union troubles at Bathgate were rife a and Government wanted rid of the place.

To the people at Perkins, GM pulling the plug was a dagger through the heart. Phaser needed to be finished with no 250 engine/day customer and little spare development cash left. The only option was to use a warmed over 6.354 crankshaft which had its roots back in the Perkins P6. War time tooling paid for by the Government. Using the skinny old 6.354 crank resulted in the new gear train being very talkative from a harmonic perspective, so somebody came up with clever wheeze of drivng the engine circulation pump of the front gear train and using it as a damper.

The new engine was launched as Phaser for automotive applications and 1000 Series for industrial use. The Perkins Sabre 180 to 265Ti engines were all pretty much Phaser automotive base engines, marinised by guys in Poole.
 
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Do You Mean

This.....
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Just let me know what else you need all FOC of course..
 
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oldgit said:
This.....
PERKINS.jpg

Just let me know what else you need all FOC of course..
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Woah - here we go - absolutely and many thanks. Its the bits further back that are causing a bit of confusion as we head off to the gearbox cooler and somethjng called "air charge cooler" whose fins we are supposed to clean.

Can't thank you enough
 
Fascinating

Latestarter1 said:
Are you sitting comfortably.

Back in the early 80's Bedford Trucks (General Motors) was still a major player as a World truck producer (around 250 per day). Bedford needed to develop a new truck, however due to poor planning they needed a new engine and new cab design both at the same time.

The Perkins 6.354 was on its final design iteration the Dot 4 and a bundle of money a big volume customer was needed to do a new engine. The predicament at Bedford Trucks was heaven sent. 6.354 was originally designed around the CAV rotary fuel pump, although some Dot 4's used Bosch rotary pumps any new engine needed front gear train in order to mount both rotary and inline fuel pumps for higher power outputs. The new engine HAD to be able to use much of the existing tooling and come down the 6.354 line.

Sady when 85% of the work was done on the new automotive engine called the Phaser, Daddy GM back in the US horrified by mounting development costs and falling sales pulled the plug on Bedford trucks. Behind the scenes GM were variously bidding for MAN, as well as trying to talk Thatcher Government into taking Leyland Trucks off their hands. However life was real complex as Leyland was in the process of also developing a new truck to be in direct competition Bedford using a licence built Cummins engine to come out of the modern Bathgate plant, but union troubles at Bathgate were rife a and Government wanted rid of the place.

To the people at Perkins, GM pulling the plug was a dagger through the heart. Phaser needed to be finished with no 250 engine/day customer and little spare development cash left. The only option was to use a warmed over 6.354 crankshaft which had its roots back in the Perkins P6. War time tooling paid for by the Government. Using the skinny old 6.354 crank resulted in the new gear train being very talkative from a harmonic perspective, so somebody came up with clever wheeze of drivng the engine circulation pump of the front gear train and using it as a damper.

The new engine was launched as Phaser for automotive applications and 1000 Series for industrial use. The Perkins Sabre 180 to 265Ti engines were all pretty much Phaser automotive base engines, marinised by guys in Poole.
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Amazingly well informed - many thanks
 
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