Work starting on my MD11C this weekend - nervous

Ok then this will likely be a long one.

First go and look and the Westerly Owners Association site Forum, under engines, and look for " MDIIC water in oil why ?" there will be found my story.

The brief outcopme is that mine used to spew steam when run at anything over 2k revs for 5 minutes or more. Then one day it utterd a "croak" and the sump had 16 litres of gunge in it. Reason - cylinder liner perforated due to running too hot and heat found a flaw in the cast liner resulting in hole.

During the rebuild, involving two new liners, matching pistons, etc the insides of the cylinder blocks were descaled (Pickled I beleive is the process) and loads of crud was removed both by pointed impliments dremel and scraping with a screwdiver. Pictures are there to see the result.

Much stuff was extracted from the cylinder heads and the exhasut manifold by poking around (valves were not taken out as valve seats looked all ok). Being east coast and motoring through muddy saline 'soup' in the shallows for the previous 38 years this is no great surprise.

Result engine that runs sweet uses no oil and pushes a Centaur along at 3 -4 knots at less than 1500 revs (big three bladed prop helps).

Not difficult to work on, all work was done ashore but with engine still located in boat (did not fancy removing flywheel lump) No special tools needed other than to make up piston ring compressor (aluminium sheet and jubilee clip).
You need to be able to open up the clamp to remove it around the con road as the cylinder is lowered down. Couple of wedges of wood to support cylinder block as it is lowered will assist, as will an extra pair of hands, Its gets quite cosy so find a good friend!!.
Do not remove shims between bottom end and cylinder blocks as they will be unaffected during rebuild. You can check compression clearances with an inexpensive digital depth micrometer (Silverline about 8 quid as I remember)
You will need a torque wrench to reset the cylinder head bolts and tighten after 20 hours running.

Last tip by the seal and gasket set for about 75 quid, rather than buying just the head gaskets (as I remember about £28 each!!), if you go down the above route.

And Finally, its a big meccano kit, just make sure the heads and associated stuff are marked up so that they go back in the right place, the bits have been together for so long they will not take kindly to having a different mate

Pm me if you need any moral support or more info.
 
The water passages in the exhaust manifold from the T piece ( inlet) on the underside to each of the heads is the next thing to look at.

The manifold passages and manifold to head get crudded up. IIRC (thinking back 18 years) there's a long passage in the manifold which is blanked off at the end, somewhere near the thermostat. The plug can be drilled out and blocked off again after the passage is cleared out.
 
Overheating & little water = 9 times out of 10 head gasket, the OP is correct.

The comments about coolant galleries are however valid, I have found serious salt deposits in outboards when I took the head off despite vigorous fresh water flushing, it needs the head off to really sort out.
 
The manifold passages and manifold to head get crudded up. IIRC (thinking back 18 years) there's a long passage in the manifold which is blanked off at the end, somewhere near the thermostat. The plug can be drilled out and blocked off again after the passage is cleared out.

If there a plug that can be drilled out it is something we did not discover. It would make it easier. We saw it as two passages. one to the front head and one to the rear but in reality I guess one long passage with the water inlet near the middle

My recollection is that one of the passages is longer than the other.. but I cannot off hand remember which is which. The longer one was the one more severely crudded up and of course the more difficult to clear.
 
If there a plug that can be drilled out it is something we did not discover. It would make it easier. We saw it as two passages. one to the front head and one to the rear but in reality I guess one long passage with the water inlet near the middle.

I think that's the one which is drilled from one end and then blanked off. When I rebuilt our engine, I converted it to fresh water cooling with a Martec kit.
 
If you are removing the head to replace gasket be careful not to over tighten the studs. I did this and sheered one (with remarkably little force) on a MD11B which I assume is very similar. This was two days before our annual summer cruise and I ended up having to have a new head flown all the way from Sweden - not cheap!

I would definitely use a torque wrench.
 
Day one

Heads off - water channels gunned up (partially cleared) but no cracks and no warps (we think)
Cracked exhaust elbow (anyone know if these can be bought anywhere or how to recon them)?
Exhaust manifold off and degunged
Heads ready to go to the engineers (could you'll the injectors so might need new ones, anyone know a source?)

In short, so far couldn't be better.... Repair bill looks like £300 so far....
 
Another issue - cracked the exhaust manifold when taking the thermostat out, does anyone know of a spare one?

Failing that we are going to send the old one to a nice man near Inverness who welds cast iron for a small repair. Add about £120 to the overall bill. Still looking for a second hand elbow as well if anyone knows of one anywhere?
 
Heads off - water channels gunned up (partially cleared) but no cracks and no warps (we think)
Cracked exhaust elbow (anyone know if these can be bought anywhere or how to recon them)?
Exhaust manifold off and degunged
Heads ready to go to the engineers (could you'll the injectors so might need new ones, anyone know a source?)

In short, so far couldn't be better.... Repair bill looks like £300 so far....

Have you flushed down the block channels with the drain cocks open to get rid of residue in the blocks. This is important as
gunge at the bottom of the block can impede thermo syphon activity within the block which can result in steam in the exhaust.
Might need some poking with wire via drain cock ports and down the head channels to loosen things up.

The exhaust elbows were still available as used on many Volvo engines. There are a couple of varieties so do you have one with
a flange and couple of bolt holes or is the elbow neck threaded?

The injector nozzles are readily available from a diesel injector service shop. They might not be required. The injector bodies are re usable.
If a problem up there contact Lawson in Edinburgh.

http://www.lawsondiesel.co.uk/

The HP fuel pumps can also be serviced and parts may be available as these pumps are used on many similar engines. Unless you suspect a
problem they are best left alone. However if removing the fuel pump do so carefully as there is a loose bronze bush on a pin on the pump which engages with the governor linkage which is easily lost in the engine sump if the pump is tilted too soon on withdrawl.

Best of luck and keep us advised of progress.
 
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My thoughts too. It won't be long before MD11C parts become obsolete and they're expensive now so, I personally would rather spend the money towards a new engine and box. Better boat resale value as well.
A chap in our marina has just commissioned his yacht he started fitting out 35 yrs ago, guess what the brand new engine is & how old. He would make more £s breaking it for spares & install a modern engine in its place
 
That's the problem with engines, the bills never arrive in one go but sneak up on you. The valves - knackered, chuck in springs just in case and another £330. A total of £600. One learning point, I had two spare heads, the valves were in almost exactly he same condition there as well.

I have done a lot of research on the chipped exhaust manifold and have decided that the stage one repair will be some Belzona 1111 carefully built up and ground back to offer a flat surface for the thermostat to sit on. If that fails, welding (£100) then new engine, with the refurbished heads chucked on e bay to soften the blow...

I think the only other thing that we anticipate will be a problem is the Injector sleeves (£40 x 2).

The money pit is now so deep, the only thing left to do is keep digging in the hope I make it to the other side.
 
That's the problem with engines, the bills never arrive in one go but sneak up on you. The valves - knackered, chuck in springs just in case and another £330. A total of £600. One learning point, I had two spare heads, the valves were in almost exactly he same condition there as well.

I have done a lot of research on the chipped exhaust manifold and have decided that the stage one repair will be some Belzona 1111 carefully built up and ground back to offer a flat surface for the thermostat to sit on. If that fails, welding (£100) then new engine, with the refurbished heads chucked on e bay to soften the blow...

I think the only other thing that we anticipate will be a problem is the Injector sleeves (£40 x 2).

The money pit is now so deep, the only thing left to do is keep digging in the hope I make it to the other side.
Thats why i took out my very smoky 4108, it might have been just rings BUT. I have now had 10 yrs of trouble free Nanni 4150, not a cheap option but the perkie could well have consumed 1/2 the cost of the new engine & still leaked oil from its 40 yr old design.
 
So I have priced up a Volvo 2002 I think which pretty much just plugs back in to the existing boat hardware at £1500. If my engine repairs to date fail, I am buying that one I think and re engining. Brilliant.

I think recon'd heads should be worth a couple of hundred with the rest worth about the same in total. So a grand to re engine plus the money I wasted on this one. Think dinghy sailing is regaining its appeal.
 
So I have priced up a Volvo 2002 I think which pretty much just plugs back in to the existing boat hardware at £1500. If my engine repairs to date fail, I am buying that one I think and re engining. Brilliant.

I think recon'd heads should be worth a couple of hundred with the rest worth about the same in total. So a grand to re engine plus the money I wasted on this one. Think dinghy sailing is regaining its appeal.

But how good is the 2002 engine going to be. These are very much lighter built engines than the MD series and do you know the 2002's history. Has it been flooded with sea water through lip seals on the seawater pump. has it run dry at any time, over heated,or has it been run for hours on no load and glazed the bores. These is also the question of the gearbox, are the fwd and rev clutch plates ok. has it had the correct oil in it. Sorry to pizz on your parade. :(
 
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