mlines
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So in an article on the days weather the Daily Wail publishes a picture of Wakeboarders having fun..........as the boat is planing that makes it faster than the speed limit.
Windermere Speed Limit - Daily Wail picture evidence
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boatone
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Probably photoshopped ! 
landlockedpirate
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Lots of boats will plane under 12mph, but I agree, from the shape of the wake , it looks faster.
However, you dont know when the photo was taken.
However, you dont know when the photo was taken.
oldgit
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What a wonderful view and such a tranquil peaceful setting ....shame about the chavs in the foreground . 
mlines
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It claims to have been taken today as it is reporting on the weather. That boat does not plane at 10mph ('cos I had one).
And I support the concept of public spaces being for the public and there should be an allocated area where this can be done. At least there is not a cloud of Diesel in the picture
And I support the concept of public spaces being for the public and there should be an allocated area where this can be done. At least there is not a cloud of Diesel in the picture
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landlockedpirate
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It claims to have been taken today as it is reporting on the weather. That boat does not plane at 10mph ('cos I had one).
It will with a water sack in the bow, low pitch prop and a doel fin.
You have to be inventive to board on Windermere these days.
mlines
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Possibly, but this looks more like the 10mph over the hump shot
Lakesailor
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Papers use stock pictures. I got banned from the Westmorland Gazette for criticising them over this.
Did your boat plane at 11.5078 mph though? That is the speed limit.
(Isn't that lump in the stern supposed to be watching the skier?)
volvopaul
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Is the speed limit enforced to reduce wash or speed that can relate to a collision with other boats?
12 mph is a strange figure in my head because my boat would create at least a 1 metre high wake at the speed limit so could I get away with that? Surely not.
12 mph is a strange figure in my head because my boat would create at least a 1 metre high wake at the speed limit so could I get away with that? Surely not.
julians
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I think at the time the ban was introduced the rationale was noise reduction, there were no issues with wash or collisions.
The people that wanted the ban claimed the noise from speedboats and jetskis ruined the tranquility for miles around.
Pre ban ,there were large speed limited areas (5mph I think) to control wash, reduce chance of collisions etc,and by and large these limits were adhered to . It was only in the widest sections of the lake where there were no speed limits.
It was all a bit odd, as far as I could tell the vast. Majority of people did not support the speed limit,but it still went ahead anyway,and destroyed significant elements of the local economy.
It was as if just a small group of small minded people decided they didn't like motorboats and jetskis and managed to get them banned.
The people that wanted the ban claimed the noise from speedboats and jetskis ruined the tranquility for miles around.
Pre ban ,there were large speed limited areas (5mph I think) to control wash, reduce chance of collisions etc,and by and large these limits were adhered to . It was only in the widest sections of the lake where there were no speed limits.
It was all a bit odd, as far as I could tell the vast. Majority of people did not support the speed limit,but it still went ahead anyway,and destroyed significant elements of the local economy.
It was as if just a small group of small minded people decided they didn't like motorboats and jetskis and managed to get them banned.
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landlockedpirate
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As julians said, no good reason, lots of noise about noise and making the lake more accessible for non powered use. All in the opinion of 4 people, 2 dogs and a hamster who mostly dont even live in the area.
The 11.5mph was due to several cock ups when writing the new bylaws, it should have been 10mph, but got written as 10 kts. They also screwed up the part about lake registration and numbers which effectivly removed any chance of income they still had when all the day boats stopped going.
Impressive organisation the LDNPA
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Jim@sea
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Bbroomlea
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Paul H
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From the lake users I talk to while on and around Windermere, the vast majority would like a more inclusive lake management plan to be adopted to allow each user group access to the lake, and allow us Wakeboarders and skiers the ability to conduct our sports safely and responsibly, above the current speed limit, without disadvantaging or conflicting with other users, its a big lake that is pretty empty a lot of the time now!
mlines
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+1
Fire99
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+ 1 more. From my recent visit to Windermere, it seems vastly over restrictive at the moment. (and yes I am a 'raggy'
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landlockedpirate
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Unfortunately, its never going to happen.
Before the speed limit, Windermere was fantastic. Raggies and Mobo's all got along together with non of the the usual argy bargy.Some jet skis were a problem, but they were managed well as all speeding issues were back then by the wardens.
The number of people in favour of the new limits were tiny and even though it was against the original management plan for the Lakes created in the 70's where Windermere was preserved for fast watersports, the LDNPA still pushed ahead.
Because of the limit, locals lost jobs, businesses went under and cash from mobo's and sportsboats dried up overnight. Every one lost out and the slower paced watersports that were supposed to take over didnt happen. The lack of cash was so severe, even the warden service was compromised with redundancies and cuts. As an example our family had 4 boats, 2 jetskis, 3 tenders all moored in the marina and registered on the Lake, we probably spent 50k in the local economy between us.This year we havent been once.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense would have revisted the speed limit, maybe created skiing areas, compulsory training etc etc. But not the LDNPA, they just carry on regardless with their narrow minded vision for the area, A vision that includes Beatrix Potter, Swallows and Amazons and the odd clinker rowing boat sculling gently across tha lake.
Before the speed limit, Windermere was fantastic. Raggies and Mobo's all got along together with non of the the usual argy bargy.Some jet skis were a problem, but they were managed well as all speeding issues were back then by the wardens.
The number of people in favour of the new limits were tiny and even though it was against the original management plan for the Lakes created in the 70's where Windermere was preserved for fast watersports, the LDNPA still pushed ahead.
Because of the limit, locals lost jobs, businesses went under and cash from mobo's and sportsboats dried up overnight. Every one lost out and the slower paced watersports that were supposed to take over didnt happen. The lack of cash was so severe, even the warden service was compromised with redundancies and cuts. As an example our family had 4 boats, 2 jetskis, 3 tenders all moored in the marina and registered on the Lake, we probably spent 50k in the local economy between us.This year we havent been once.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense would have revisted the speed limit, maybe created skiing areas, compulsory training etc etc. But not the LDNPA, they just carry on regardless with their narrow minded vision for the area, A vision that includes Beatrix Potter, Swallows and Amazons and the odd clinker rowing boat sculling gently across tha lake.
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aquapower
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I have always enjoyed all water sports from canoes, dinghy sailing, jet skiing, waterskiing and motor boating, what really annoys me is that there's room for everyone to enjoy their sport on a lake of this size so no need to do what's been done, yes you will always get people who abuse it but correctly managed it should not be a big problem.
This reminds me a bit of a lake I used to be a member at with a caravan, boat and jet ski where the land was split into plots and sold off with people purchasing land and building a waterside home to use along with their water sports, one lakeside plot was sold to someone with no interest in anything other than nature who then complained until he got his way and had any activity on the lake banned, others who had invested in property were livid and had every right to be, how do these clowns get away with it. All income from any water sports was lost which was quite a few thousand each year.
Steve Clayton
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Back in late 60's/early 70's (pre my boating days) my Uncle Vernon had the fastest boat on Windermere; same model as the water plod but 2 power levels up. No limits back in those days but he was always courteous and considerate to other water users and only opened her up when it was OK to do so. He could drink like a fish and got me pi$$ed more than once in the boat club, the Langdale, and the Garden Centre - happy days!!
When the limits came in he changed to a Freeman 23; which was as much fun as the speedy boat.
When the limits came in he changed to a Freeman 23; which was as much fun as the speedy boat.
skiben10
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Hello all,
New to the forum, but noting the Windermere thread, had to sign up. I've skied on Windermere all my life and was devastated when the speed limit was brought in. Have spent lots of time since attempting (maybe pointlessly) to get a change brought in to a more acceptable way of managing the lake. As someone has already mentioned, it would be so simple and so much more sensible to incorporate a speed limit that gave the ability for people to ski and board responsibly.
This brings me to a point that I've been looking to air and comes directly from the LDNPA's solicitor. Having been in a verbal battle with them for the last twelve months over their use of radar and speed entrapment binoculars which is illegal their solicitor admitted that an alternative management plan was never considered because they couldn't legally zone off parts of the lake because of the public right of navigation on the lake.
My point here is that there would never be a need to do that in order to manage the lake more inclusively but they have admitted that they gave virtually no consideration to an alternative because of zoning....... Just wanted to put that out there.....
New to the forum, but noting the Windermere thread, had to sign up. I've skied on Windermere all my life and was devastated when the speed limit was brought in. Have spent lots of time since attempting (maybe pointlessly) to get a change brought in to a more acceptable way of managing the lake. As someone has already mentioned, it would be so simple and so much more sensible to incorporate a speed limit that gave the ability for people to ski and board responsibly.
This brings me to a point that I've been looking to air and comes directly from the LDNPA's solicitor. Having been in a verbal battle with them for the last twelve months over their use of radar and speed entrapment binoculars which is illegal their solicitor admitted that an alternative management plan was never considered because they couldn't legally zone off parts of the lake because of the public right of navigation on the lake.
My point here is that there would never be a need to do that in order to manage the lake more inclusively but they have admitted that they gave virtually no consideration to an alternative because of zoning....... Just wanted to put that out there.....
