Wind speed, where do you draw the line in small boats?

It's not the wind, it's the sea state you should be concerned about -- assuming you have an effective way to reef, of course.

People go out into the Solent in practically any wind force, since a dangerous sea state is almost impossible in those sheltered waters (with a few exceptions like a SW gale blowing against the tide at Hurst Narrows).

The sea state is related to wind force, but also depends on fetch, duration of the blow, water depth, etc.

On our boat (54' strong cruising boat), we will generally not cancel a passage due to weather for anything up to and including a F8, as long as the wind is not ahead of the beam, and in that case maybe F7.

This policy did bite us this year, however, when we headed out into the North Sea in a Southerly F8 which turned into a F9 on the second day. F8 will not usually create a sea state which is a problem for us in deep water, but in this case we got large breaking seas which were difficult and possibly dangerous. The North Sea is shallow which exacerbates the problem.

If you are starting out, then just take it slow and gain experience in different conditions. You will soon figure it out, not without a good scare or two, but this goes with the territory. Take SeaJet's (and other's) good advice and don't push yourself -- don't be ashamed to scrub a trip if you are nervous about the weather. The pub is a great place to be in stormy weather. Discretion is the greater part of valour, as they say, and nowhere more than at sea.
 
You don't need to do that. Just head up a bit and slacken the mainsheet until the sail stalls.

That would work fine on most boats but I have an aversion to leaving my jib flogging in high winds and for preference will wind it in in the lee of the main first. The main will usually be reefed by this stage in a blow, so lowering it is always easy enough, though tidying it away in anything of a seaway can be a problem to elderly crew like us. Fortunately, most harbours have a sheltered area to sort ourselves out in.
 
That would work fine on most boats but I have an aversion to leaving my jib flogging in high winds and for preference will wind it in in the lee of the main first. The main will usually be reefed by this stage in a blow, so lowering it is always easy enough, though tidying it away in anything of a seaway can be a problem to elderly crew like us. Fortunately, most harbours have a sheltered area to sort ourselves out in.

I'm not sure why you would end up flogging the jib. I just leave the boat sailing towards my destination on the jib, stall the main and drop or reef it. I will furl the jib with a brief flutter but it never flogs any more than it would if I am going through the wind. It takes a few seconds longer to get the headsail away on the 32 footer but it still doesn't get flogged.
 
It depends on the wind strength. In a force six my jib takes an enormous amount of effort to furl, which I always do without a winch. This is even if I ease the halyard and have the bearings well greased. This is for a 34ft boat and a 75yr old sailor. The result can easily result in the jib flogging for a painfully long time. My last laminate jib lasted 12 yrs and 2,000 plus miles per year, so I must be doing something right.
 
my rule is never with a 7 in the forecast and in reality you cannot totally trust forecasts so 5-6 is only Ok if its a fair wind ....

never really gone along with the stick your nose out thing as you would surely be outbound with the ebb so maybe struggle back against it....

of course if there is wind never get in a situation you cannot sail out of (no engine is reliable) - lee shore, up wind up tide of an oil rig, wind farm, moorings, dock,

fatigues and cold and a small boat can have quite a busy motion - decision making gets difficult and you can easily "identify" things
you wish to see that are not what you wish they were .... e,g, the Whittaker beacon not the Buxey.

tacking in the Wallet - with the tide - against the wind - you could be swallowed up ... so it felt.

OVERFALLS !

well reefed down, good waterproofs, mars bar, boat going like bomb . tide and wind taking you home.... buzzing
 
It's not the wind, it's the sea state you should be concerned about -- assuming you have an effective way to reef, of course.

Indeed. In my last boat a 26ft lift keeler I had a 3rd reef put in and providing the sea state was reasonable there wasn't much the wind could blow to put me off a day sail / passage.

A 3rd reef makes all the difference though.
 
Reprise, this trip is back on over mon & tue.forecast is good, tides are stronger and high tide times not as convenient, but can't have everything :)
Winds are se force 2, I'm slightly concerned they may be on the light side actually.
Following same plan for outward trip, but this time should be broad reaching out past the wind farm, and then same again if I turn to heastan island but on the other tack. Thinking I'll change the return leg tho to head E towards silloth from kippford on a close reach then run down the coast to Maryport .
 
When I get caught out, I take comfort in reminding myself that the boat can handle almost any conditions and it is myself that is the weak link, strange but it always motivates me not to let the side down. It is always fatigue that causes me to make mistakes or errors in judgement. In terms of passage planning and putting to sea I draw the line at F7, given my family crew, but wind direction, wave height/direction, visibility, distance, navigational risks and strength of crew are all key factors in my go/no go.
 
Damn croak, where we're you :)
I am very much alive, sitting having a pint in the mariner at kippford :)
Learned loads and had some excitement :)
Came up the estuary this morning from an anchorage by hestan to sort out my jammed furling gear , grrr.
My problem now might be lack of wind for the next couple of days.
 
I agree with the chaps saying take it easy and get to know your boat and build your skills.

Mine is a MAB wooden 25 footer.

First couple of years f5 max in the Solent.

5 years on, boat refurbished and main with 3 reefs + choice of headsails down to storm jib, I'm happy in the Solent with a f6 upwind, but outside I'd think twice setting off upwind in anything more than 5. Downwind I'll take a 6 with of course the proviso of avoiding overfalls or other known problem spots.
 
We had 20knot forecast and got 45 for 3 hours max gust 57. In the channel last week.

Prepare for the worst!!

"You will come to the Sirens, they who bewitch all men. Whoever sails near them unaware shall never again see his wife and children once he has heard the Siren voices......"
 
Yes you have some great weather although there is a funny wind tonight,

Watch out for the single rock in Horse Bay, I landed on it.

Don't moor on the high side of the pontoon at Kipford, I got stuck under it.

I had last week sailing with some strong winds, having to look out the window across a perfect sea whist I am working on the house this week :(

Good luck for the return trip, get back before Monday.
 
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