williams tender - different view

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Lovely writeup from magnum...but here's an alterntive view. There's some glaringly shite things about that rib, and one in particular.......

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That's right - no rowlocks, and no oars on board. Ooer. Without this, one arguably shdn't use the thing any further than you can swim or hail a passer-by. A ski-rope or any rope kerzunk round the impeller, or run out of fuel and that's sort-of that. You have to be able to row the thing ashore or back from wherever you're going, even tho that mite take a few hours. I don't fancy that with little lilo paddles, singlehanded.

And where wd those lilo padles go? Well, they wd probly eat up some of the glorious space that magnum likes. But doeen't seem to be space on the floor even for the two-part ones - halfdecent (or even quarterdecent) ones won't fit across the beam and the seating plastic means they can't be lengthways, can they.

The motorised light thing is fun, but a bit of a joke really - this isn't a serious passagemaking machine, and with no oars it's gonna be scary to go out at nite - nobody can see you need help. Perhaps they shd've included NUC lights. A more practical, less techno-geeky navlite soltion at this level wd've been fine. Or at least, it's a shame they've spent time poncing around designing the motorised light stick thing which will break or rust after the first season, instead of rowlocks and storage for oars which wouldn't.

How long will a twangy sticky up lite last anyway? Our daft lot would hold on to the thing. Or worse, it mite down some damage. I like the idea of tenders in that there are failry unwreckable and safe to crump ouch land on - not this with a poky up stick. Small point.

Now, look at the pic again : - the moulded grp plastic *seems* shiny and smooth, both at stern platformette and at each rear quarter, so wet bare feet which are bound use these to jump off at play, or step in/out for boarding will slip. An easy rule for any boat builder (or user) is that any flat plastic shd be non slip. Fixable of course, after purchase.

Other minor things include that there's no stern place to put a rope except on the swim platfrom and (at night) instantly bend the motorised extendable light thingy.

Also, seems as though the painter attached to the cleat INSIDE the boat which is nice as an option but not as only option, really - an external eyelet can be useful for electirc dragging without damaging the sponsons etc.


Now, the above doesn't nec make the williams a total death trap but it does make it more of an accident trap than it needs to be. In any case, it challenges the statement that "first impressions are that it is well designed" - cos my first impressions even just looking at pix are that some basic design issues stuff is NOT well thought out, or not thought about at all.

Without rowlocks and oars, i just wouldn't buy the thing. I cd only let the kids on it and ONLY if i stayed on other boat within sight and in daylight ready in case it failed a mile out or so. You couldn't use it yerself cos your boat is the rescue boat innnit so unles another person can drive, you have to sit on mother ship and keep watch. I hope we have no sad accidents invloving people drowing trying to swim a mile inshore against light wind (no chance) cos they have no oars cos not supplied, no space and no rowlocks either.

I spose we will have to keep an eye out for poor sods who bought one of these cos if the motor won't go, they need a tow....

Conclusion: this tender is NOT RECOMMENDED in my humble opinion. Specifically, for safety's sake, I hope nobody buys one without a design rethink on the oars and smooth grp.
 
I'm afraid you have utterly failed to grasp the fundamentals of boat-testing, and I'm afraid you may have to be banished to the PBO site.

As a boat-tester you should overlook minor things such as safety, practicality and value-for-money, and instead concentrate on wizzy-gizmo type things that will amuse small children. You should be criticising this RIB not for lack of oars etc, but for lack of flappy-paddle gear-change system and head-up display, and for a notable absence of electrically-operated oil-damped spotlit drinks-holders. What, no silver gelcoat? Pah...it's rubbish.
 
ROWLOCKS...... tcm you are joking aren't you???
In the Avon I had a simple telescopic canoe paddle, never did use it but it was clipped neatly on the side. No need for rowlocks. Maybe all boats should have rowlocks, just in case!!! I did notice the Black Pearl did exactly that.

Chris
 
Black pearl had sweeps, sweeps man!!! Good grief, where have you been, lots of men of war had sweeps! Back to Nautical history class this minute, you've failed!!!
 
Like liferafts, there's almost no need WHATSOEVER for oars - you don't needem ...until you neededm. I've never used them - but the kids have, and they use it more than me.

Dunno, but this may be different from your previous boat/tender setup?

Loads of med anchoring, and with larger and larger boat you are further and further from the shore.

Also, in the med, more and more regulations and policing of said regs mean you can anchor yous big boat close inshore but have to go a fair distance out to waterski or play about.

The boat is serious - 4 stroke to be used all day, and with range enuf to have nav lights, even telescopic extending ones - but not oars. That's just silly.

Or perhaps the oars are hidden away?

Or praps i'm the only one with oars in the tender all the time, always, and see them as almost as necessary safety item on tender as a kill cord?
 
maybe we can find some electrical telescopic paddles ???? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif just in case,
TCM in a way your right, on our tender we have paddles and the outboard, the kids, very happy yesterday they had them, ran out of fuel, you know those youngsters!!!??? /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Re: rowing comfily

Can buy telescopic oars with screw on blades of a suitable size that will fit in the locker. I have some in my jet rib and have had to use them. Easy with two people, feasible with one. Got mine from Towsure, 'bout £25 from memory.

That said I will take the jet rib out well beyond a distance I'd row back, so if it breaks down would have to call for help on the mobile VHF same as if I was on a single engine Mobo.
 
I reckon you could row up in the bow, may need longer oars but doable.

If it has a keel you could put a rowlock on the transom and scull the thing, but that can be tiring over any distance.
 
As a tender it has another fatal flaw that you both appear to have overlooked.

Can you leave it tied to the bottom of a set of steps and wander off into town without fear of it being robbed or robbed blind.

Can 2 people pick it up and walk it up a slipway to ensure it will not be picked up by the rising tide? Or carry it over a pontoon when it is blocked in by 15 dinghies that turned up while you were away.

I guess, if you forked out for this you would be too scared to leave it anywhere.

You cannot really call this a tender as it seems, it requires it's own tender.
 
SW, you're right these things cant be carried. Even the 3.2m jetribs are 600lbs++. But in the med at least there are no tides. People do (in France, at least) leave jet ribs tied up and walk into town, and afaik no-one nicks them. I have left ours unattended often. I dunno if Magnum has taken a decision on crewing his boat but if there are security or No Parking problems the crew person will drop off and pick up folks by tender, and return to mothership while you're wandering around town.
 
it has keys so it's about as secure as a convertible car in marina car park - not too bad.

rising tide-wise, you can wham it up the beach, depending on local regulations. And with this sort of tender you wd normally have crew to guard and ferry you about.
 
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I'm afraid you have utterly failed to grasp the fundamentals of boat-testing, and I'm afraid you may have to be banished to the PBO site.

As a boat-tester you should overlook minor things such as safety, practicality and value-for-money, and instead concentrate on wizzy-gizmo type things that will amuse small children. You should be criticising this RIB not for lack of oars etc, but for lack of flappy-paddle gear-change system and head-up display, and for a notable absence of electrically-operated oil-damped spotlit drinks-holders. What, no silver gelcoat? Pah...it's rubbish.

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No no no no no!!!!

The reason Magnums boat test failed to reach MBY standards is that no where in the text did he use the phrase "breathes more easily".

No MBY test is complete without this meaningless phrase appearing at least once.

Instead of saying that the rearward helm allows someone of his size to sit comfortably he should have said the rearward helm position allows the cockpit area to breath more easily.

Finally, where was the quote "it was a flat calm day when we tested the XYZ Turbo, but we criss crossed the photographers wake a couple of times and found that the hull cannot be wrongfooted."

Whatever the hell that means! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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it has keys so it's about as secure as a convertible car in marina car park - not too bad.



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Except that you can't just untie a convertible in the car park and quietly tow it away....
 
I used to leave the avon all over the place. I would often however chain the thing to the dock but even the cheap and cheerful ones required that. In the caribbean most tender are stolen just for the Outboard. So there is a plus for the williams.
 
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