will you lose right to NHS treatment if you leave the UK?

[sunsailor]

I cant seem to find an official definition of an 'ordinary resident'.
It looks like if challenged that you need to claim that you are either
1. An ordinary resident of the UK

2.returned and settled in the UK

Also, is everyone recorded on computer these days when they leave and return to the UK?
Simon

 

[Tranona]

There are several definitions of residence that vary depending on what right or obligation is at issue. If you have a permanent address, are on an electoral role, registered with a GP, pay your taxes here, and conduct normal transactions such as banking then none of this stuff is of any interest - even if you don't spend all your time in the UK and don't spend long enough in another state to be considered resident there.

No, there is no complete record of movements of individuals in an out of the country despite Tony Blair stating there would be and govt then spending squillions of taxpayer's money to find out how difficult it was. Maybe if that nice Mr Farage becomes PM he will find a way.

 

[Melody]

I'm interested to read that pensioners who live abroad are now eligible for free NHS treatment.Is that something new?

I was definitely told I wasn't eligible for anything but emergency treatment when I attended A&E a few years ago. The lady was most apologetic as she said that she knows there are foreigners who lie about living in the UK in order to get treated but, as I'd told her honestly I didn't live in the UK, I wasnt eligible, despite having a UK pension.

May be useful as the formerly good health service here is falling apart through lack of money.

 

[Sarnia]

There are several definitions of residence that vary depending on what right or obligation is at issue. If you have a permanent address, are on an electoral role, registered with a GP, pay your taxes here, and conduct normal transactions such as banking then none of this stuff is of any interest - even if you don't spend all your time in the UK and don't spend long enough in another state to be considered resident there.

No, there is no complete record of movements of individuals in an out of the country despite Tony Blair stating there would be and govt then spending squillions of taxpayer's money to find out how difficult it was. Maybe if that nice Mr Farage becomes PM he will find a way.

Its is a little thread drift, but the amount of millions just for non-nationals who come here for free HIV treatment alone is mind boggling, health tourism, for a wide range of ailments, including pregnancy which is a condition, is a fact which the main parties seem happy to ignore, whether you like Mr Farage or not, and I happen to do so, he is campaigning for our NHS to be 'national' and not international, eminently fair IMHO, but the lunatic marxist/lib-left ideologues condemn such assertions of the facts as heartless racism, whilst I feel some sympathy with those afflicted my compassion does not extend to abuse of a system i have contributed to all my life, which, fortunately for me, I have rarely had cause to call upon.

 

[VicMallows]

I'm interested to read that pensioners who live abroad are now eligible for free NHS treatment.Is that something new?

Read Rivonia's link!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-rules-to-improve-overseas-visitors-contributions-to-nhs-care

If you are a UK state pensioner AND are now living in the EEA (or Switzerland) you can come back to the UK anytime and receive full NHS care. Interpret carefully.

 

[Birdseye]

I was definitely told I wasn't eligible for anything but emergency treatment when I attended A&E a few years ago. The lady was most apologetic as she said that she knows there are foreigners who lie about living in the UK in order to get treated but, as I'd told her honestly I didn't live in the UK, I wasnt eligible, despite having a UK pension.

That was your mistake.

 

[maxi77]

Read Rivonia's link!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-rules-to-improve-overseas-visitors-contributions-to-nhs-care

If you are a UK state pensioner AND are now living in the EEA (or Switzerland) you can come back to the UK anytime and receive full NHS care. Interpret carefully.

Mid you if you are a legal resident in an EU you are entitled to an EHIC card from the country they are resident in which will entitle you to full NHS treatment during visits to the UK

 

[Gerry]

I spent over 10 years away from the EU, although still resident and paying UK taxes. No problem on return registering with doctors and getting treatment.

 

[jimbaerselman]

. . . but the amount of millions just for non-nationals who come here for free HIV treatment alone is mind boggling, health tourism, for a wide range of ailments, including pregnancy which is a condition, is a fact which the main parties seem happy to ignore. . .

Perhaps, because it's not a fact . . .

 

[Matelot Joe]

In an ideal world that might happen ! There are cases were certain treatment was required and people have been told they had to pay. Yes thats wrong but it is happening and Spain is the country in question, i'm sorry to say.

 

[Matelot Joe]

That's fine if you are a resident in another EC state, they issue the EHIC so, if you return to the UK for treatment, it can be billed to the issuing country. OTOH if you're moving around on a boat and not resident anywhere within the EC, then you have problems.

this reply is to posting number 6 Rivona.

 

[Melody]

That was your mistake.

She asked my address. What was I supposed to do? Tell a lie?

 

[rivonia]

this reply is to posting number 6 Rivona.

My EHIC is issued to me here in Cyprus by the UK Govt. I as a pensioner can get full medical treatment by the NHS in the UK. This became effective from This APRIL.

 

[Matelot Joe]

There are several definitions of residence that vary depending on what right or obligation is at issue. If you have a permanent address, are on an electoral role, registered with a GP, pay your taxes here, and conduct normal transactions such as banking then none of this stuff is of any interest - even if you don't spend all your time in the UK and don't spend long enough in another state to be considered resident there.

No, there is no complete record of movements of individuals in an out of the country despite Tony Blair stating there would be and govt then spending squillions of taxpayer's money to find out how difficult it was. Maybe if that nice Mr Farage becomes PM he will find a way.

If you passport is scanned on leaving and on reentry -as is done each time I leave the country - they can fine that information very easy in this day and age.

 

[Matelot Joe]

My EHIC is issued to me here in Cyprus by the UK Govt. I as a pensioner can get full medical treatment by the NHS in the UK. This became effective from This APRIL.

I would really like to believe that, the EHIC is for when you are abroad, its another story if you come back into the Uk after being out of the country for more than six months.

Maybe things have changed and you are right but i would need to see it in black and white first.

 

[Danbury]

...May be useful as the formerly good health service here is falling apart through lack of money.

I think it's more to do with massive demand, entrenched working practices and mis-management than lack of money. For example, regardless of how much money you throw at it, we will still have a shortage of GPs...

 

[rivonia]

I would really like to believe that, the EHIC is for when you are abroad, its another story if you come back into the Uk after being out of the country for more than six months.

Maybe things have changed and you are right but i would need to see it in black and white first.

Black and White



https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...ns-to-nhs-care

 

[macd]

I cant seem to find an official definition of an 'ordinary resident'.

Try searching under "ordinarily resident", which is...er...the phrase you were searching for :ambivalence:

 

[Sarnia]

Perhaps, because it's not a fact . . .

All current research figures, including those from the NHS say the opposite, and concur what I said is factual.

 

[macd]

All current research figures, including those from the NHS say the opposite, and concur what I said is factual.

To write "All current research figures" is laughable.

The issue is contentious, with many wildly differing figures bandied about, many filtered through the prejudices of the "researcher" and ultimately the reader. You seem to share yours with the Daily Mail, which you are entirely entitled to do.