Wild Sailing

[ctva]

If wild camping is camping other than on a paying campsite, wild sailing must be staying not on a paid marina pontoon.

IE anchoring!

I get annoyed beyond reason every time I see someone playing a piano piece on youtube and they call it a cover.

You beat me to it.

My definition of wild sailing is …. anchoring.

ie mostly what we do in the western isles.

 

[Adios]

You beat me to it.

My definition of wild sailing is …. anchoring.

ie mostly what we do in the western isles.

Are you sure thats safe though Wouldn't it be safer to pay someone something for something?

I went in to Southwold in Suffolk on a friends boat and he pointed out there is a long quay side that is free to tie up to and you look after yourself, might need to adjust your lines now and then etc. Then that a little further in there are pontoons where a man in a little peak cap will take money from you for a mooring. Guess where 99% of people go

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Anchoring is a red herring, post number 6 is likely correct.

Living at anchor on a boat fitted with all the domestic luxuries of a modern home, access to the internet, a choice of recreational activities, eateries and bars, transport options and medical facilities easily accessible could not be described as wild anything.

 

[Minerva]

Are you sure thats safe though Wouldn't it be safer to pay someone something for something?

As it so happens I offer a particularly bespoke solution. Next time you anchor, PayPal me 45quid.

You get the feeling of safety from paying a faceless entity and I’ll deal with your payment and filling out a tax form

Win-Win situation I believe.

 

[Adios]

Anchoring is a red herring, post number 6 is likely correct.

Living at anchor on a boat fitted with all the domestic luxuries of a modern home, access to the internet, a choice of recreational activities, eateries and bars, transport options and medical facilities easily accessible could not be described as wild anything.

You sound like you don't know how pampered an un-self-reliant most (esp city) people are these days. eg glamping is still considered camping

 

[RunAgroundHard]

You sound like you don't know how pampered an un-self-reliant most (esp city) people are these days. eg glamping is still considered camping

Correct, I don’t know that. I don’t keep tabs on what people can or can’t do.

I would guess that the majority who actually sail by wind use natures elements. As these are uncontrolled, by definition, they are wild, hence, they are wild sailing.

Anchoring, mooring or berthing, I don’t think fits any definition of wild. How do you wild anchor, use a CQR without a snubber, with 3 x depth rode? You tell me, you know it all.

 

[penfold]

I think wild anchoring would involve deploying the anchor with the bitter end unsecured, or maybe an unmoused shackle.

 

[ylop]

I don't know who "coined the usage", but the term 'wild camping" is used in literature describing individual rights from the Scottish Right to Roam legislation.

The term pre-dates the land reform act by quite a long time. Interestingly the official documentation doesn’t refer to wild camping - it calls it “light weight camping” but the “insta” generation seem to have latched on to wild camping whilst totally misunderstanding it and adopting a form of camping which is often not lightweight at all.

The term differentiates between camping on a camp site and camping elsewhere. For example, Right To Roam legislation allows wild camping on anyones land (there are obligations on the land owner and camper).

It doesn’t allow “Wild Camping on anyone’s land”. That’s an often misquoted phrase, it allows anyone to have responsible access to most land. You can’t come and camp in my back garden, or even in a school playing field during the holidays, you can’t even camp in the middle of nowhere if you make a mess or access the land by vehicle.

In the National Parks, wild camping is prohibited between April and October and only camping at camp sites is allowed. The term has it's use.

Not quite. Camping in the Cairngorms NP is permitted. Camping in the Loch Lomond and Trossachs national park is also permitted outside of the designated camping management zone. Even within the camping management zone there are designated camp sites which have no facilities and so most people regard as Wild.

I doubt the former D of E will be laughing as wild camping is allowed on Balmoral. There has been outrage expressed from the rangers at the mess left by some people.

The land reform act just codified what had been custom and practice across most landowners in Scotland anyway (including HRH).

The problem is not wild camping, the act, or even the words in the outdoor access code - it’s a lack of a mechanism to deal with people who don’t follow the code, and a social media frenzy of people who think wild camping is done in a van, or with electricity! IMHO the access code would be enormously improved if it said lightweight camping meant you had to carry all your kit (or your back, bike, craft) and was always away from where you parked your car.

So wild sailing would be spending your night at anchor, not in a marina

some anchorage and some boats would presumably meet the strictest definition…

 

[RunAgroundHard]

The term pre-dates the land reform act by quite a long time. Interestingly the official documentation doesn’t refer to wild camping - it calls it “light weight camping” but the “insta” generation seem to have latched on to wild camping whilst totally misunderstanding it and adopting a form of camping which is often not lightweight at all.


It doesn’t allow “Wild Camping on anyone’s land”. That’s an often misquoted phrase, it allows anyone to have responsible access to most land. You can’t come and camp in my back garden, or even in a school playing field during the holidays, you can’t even camp in the middle of nowhere if you make a mess or access the land by vehicle.

Not quite. Camping in the Cairngorms NP is permitted. Camping in the Loch Lomond and Trossachs national park is also permitted outside of the designated camping management zone. Even within the camping management zone there are designated camp sites which have no facilities and so most people regard as Wild.


The land reform act just codified what had been custom and practice across most landowners in Scotland anyway (including HRH).

The problem is not wild camping, the act, or even the words in the outdoor access code - it’s a lack of a mechanism to deal with people who don’t follow the code, and a social media frenzy of people who think wild camping is done in a van, or with electricity! IMHO the access code would be enormously improved if it said lightweight camping meant you had to carry all your kit (or your back, bike, craft) and was always away from where you parked your car.

some anchorage and some boats would presumably meet the strictest definition…

Thanks for your detailed responses, but you shouldn’t have bothered as a treatise on Scotland’s RTR regulations hardly contributes to the thread. However, fill yer boots, I am always open to be corrected.

I like how you pedantically respond to threads, but the act of anchoring is not wild, in the strictest definition, hence it can’t be used as a definition of wild sailing. Which was the rather boring point I was making. Anchorages can be wild, but not boats, unless one board a Flower Boat.

 

[Adios]

Thanks for your detailed responses, but you shouldn’t have bothered as a treatise on Scotland’s RTR regulations hardly contributes to the thread. However, fill yer boots, I am always open to be corrected.

I like how you pedantically respond to threads, but the act of anchoring is not wild, in the strictest definition, hence it can’t be used as a definition of wild sailing. Which was the rather boring point I was making. Anchorages can be wild, but not boats, unless one board a Flower Boat.

Its surely about the perception more than any technical definition. Not having wifi for 12 hours is being in the wilderness for many

 

[rogerthebodger]

If you are anchored you cannot be sailing so you cannot be wild sailing

 

[ylop]

you shouldn’t have bothered as a treatise on Scotland’s RTR regulations hardly contributes to the thread.

You were the person who incorrectly brought the "RTR Regulations" (although that's not the name of the legislation or the code the legislation helps create) into things and espoused a load of misinformation in the process. Presumably, you thought someone was interested in that...

However, fill yer boots, I am always open to be corrected.

...and I've now corrected you but you don't seem that keen on that! Personally I think part of the problem with "dirty camping" in Scotland is the misinformation about wild camping, or lightweight camping whilst exercising your access rights, and both the dirty campers believe they are entitled to do it and the land managers fear.

the act of anchoring is not wild, in the strictest definition, hence it can’t be used as a definition of wild sailing. Which was the rather boring point I was making. Anchorages can be wild, but not boats

if that was your point it really wasn't clear. I think it shows a lack of imagination around the use of the English language to think that an adjective and verb can never be combined to give a greater meaning beyond the sheer composition of the two individual words themselves. If someone thinks it is useful to have a label for coastal cruising without using marinas etc then perhaps it is. Do you have a better very succinct terminology for it? Would the original person's target audience understand what you mean?

Thats said I think its about context - if someone told me they had been away last week and had some wild sailing - I'd have assumed it was F8 across the Bay of Biscay (wild in the uncivillised/barborous sense rather than the uncultivated/natural sense). If they told me they were just back from the hebrides wild sailing in great weather - then I'm smart enough to work out what they were doing.

 

[ctva]

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The land reform act just codified what had been custom and practice across most landowners in Scotland anyway (including HRH).

The problem is not wild camping, the act, or even the words in the outdoor access code - it’s a lack of a mechanism to deal with people who don’t follow the code, and a social media frenzy of people who think wild camping is done in a van, or with electricity! IMHO the access code would be enormously improved if it said lightweight camping meant you had to carry all your kit (or your back, bike, craft) and was always away from where you parked your car.
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Could not agree more.

Maybe we're looking at this wrongly. Perhaps 'wild sailing'refers to the parties and drinking while sailing to meet RTB's definition.

If that is the case, we do not wild sail but we do wild anchor.

 

[Sybarite]

with rubbish food

I thought that restaurants there closed for lunch...