Why MoBo's are not always liked by raggies

[gjgm]

problem with the camera is that you cant get a sense of perspective.I cant see why the mobo couldnt go around the yacht, but the wake isnt that big, and the saily boat crew should have at least heard those engines for some distance. Maybe too close,unnecessarily, but you can hardly have been taken by surprise, and so fall in ?

 

[oceanfroggie]

Is that video all it seems to be? Commenst are disabled and although at 41 seconds it looks like he's about to hit the water, by 43 seconds, the guy appears to be back aboard the yacht, never having got wet. If anything, I'd say it almost looked like he was trapezing (not that you would on a boat like that). Was this a setup?

I was wondering the same myself.

If it wasn't a setup, my take on it is the mobo should have given the yacht more sea room. Even planing mobo to planing mobo, being overtaken at close quarters leaves no space or time to turn into wake. Head on at even closer range is less of a problem because of the angle of the wake and it's easy to turn into head on the nose. The guy didn't fall in the water. Btw, just to be pedantic, this was a motor v motor incident as no sail up and yacht under power. I'd never plane that close overtaking another craft of any type, just bad manners to do so. I still suspect a setup.

 

[ian38_39]

The bloke on the sailing boat only appears about 1 second before the Mobo passes and appears to do a runner straight over the side.
There is no apparent reason for him to suddenly clamber over the cabin roof so it does look a bit like a set up.

The thing that always amazes me in these debates is if a Mobo owner was to mention that his boat was good in the rough within earshot of a raggy, the raggy would be first to tell all how his boat is far superior and would take anything the Mobo could without even flinching, surely the wash of a Mobo shouldn't be an issue and waves don't make quite so much noise as they are approaching.

Ian

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

I actually do the opposite way round and hate most raggies.
First because locally they go out of the marina harbour lanes at about 6 knots, switch to reverse in a marina when they think is best even if they a couple of feet only infront of you, enter at rather dangerous speed in there berth, sale in a harbour, and last because they seem always to think they have the right of way even when using a motor.

 

[Morpheous]

The bloke on the sailing boat only appears about 1 second before the Mobo passes and appears to do a runner straight over the side.
There is no apparent reason for him to suddenly clamber over the cabin roof so it does look a bit like a set up.

The thing that always amazes me in these debates is if a Mobo owner was to mention that his boat was good in the rough within earshot of a raggy, the raggy would be first to tell all how his boat is far superior and would take anything the Mobo could without even flinching, surely the wash of a Mobo shouldn't be an issue and waves don't make quite so much noise as they are approaching.

Ian

This is always an interesting one too - I speak as an ex raggie here - are they actually much better, or is it that in a yot you dress in up foul weather gear, expect to work hard in uncomfortable situations and get a great sense of achievement when you get to your destination alive. Lots of mobo's simply don't want to do that, however if you slow down, don't mind getting splashed and thrown about a bit you can cope with pretty rough stuff in a mobo. Have done the Nash passage in 31ft mobo in rough weather I can speak from experience.

 

[deborahann]

oh come on, just cos a few raggies, I assume in Malta, as you seem to be based there, behave like that, doesn't surely need to feel "hate for most raggies".

I've had hatred for the mboater who came down the Tamar at a truly daft speed, plus the prat at Exmouth that soaked me. Plus an intense dislike of not being waved back to by raggie's down South. Have to say since moving the boat to Wales we seem to simply all glad to see each other about & about.

 

[ian38_39]

From what I have been told it is the keel and balancing sail that make them 1 billion times better, although the closest I have come to a yacht is a mirror dinghy and that tipped over a lot, so I haven't got a clue.
All I know is I am always told how good they are and in the next breath how they can't cope with a 2' wash. If you can see a wave coming then you should be able to see and hear a planing motorboat.

 

[deborahann]

think you managed a few drinks onboard from MF's definately Mboat bar !

 

[LittleShip]

I think we should ban all non-wooden boats

Right I'm with you on this one....... and while we are at it,... anything that travels above 10 knts.

Tom

PS as an ex raggie somebody on board should have warned the crew of the wash from the Mobo, that dosent take away a duty of care from the mobo but lets be fair it was open waters.

 

[late-night-lochin]

I know most on here (and where I sail) are courteous and well mannered, but this thread illustrates the sort of dangerous behaviour that gets MoBo's a bad name.

Original Utube link just in case you don't want to be seen in Scuttlebutt.

I can beat that Searush, no photographic evidence but witnesses.

I was in the solent last summer heading between Portsmouth and Southampton, I was doing about 12k and overtaking a sailing boat at a "polite" distance. As we were abeam of each other, a big flash looking silver boat (sort of 60ft or more type big) passed diagonally in between us at around 30k, (presumably heading for Cowes).

Why? What was the point? Why didn't he go behind both of us. If he'd been any closer, I could have given the throttle an "accidental panic" blip and punched my anchor through one of his side windows.

I suppose I should have reported the incident really but that's not in my nature.

 

[Philiz]

Why? What was the point? Why didn't he go behind both of us. If he'd been any closer, I could have given the throttle an "accidental panic" blip and punched my anchor through one of his side windows.

Because he's a pillock! Unfortunately you get em in all walks of life, it's just that this one had enough dosh to be a pillock with a big boat.

 

[Philiz]

Right I'm with you on this one....... and while we are at it,... anything that travels above 10 knts..

Mmm, remind me, what are the later GB's made of?

 

[poltergeist]

There are irreconcilable differences here, and the 'need for speed' will make it very hard to make any progress on the problem you mentioned. Could start a "no planing" movement I guess..

Have you really nothing better in life to worry about.

 

[Searush]

Thank you for a generally sensible set of comments . However, I may be able to clear up a few misconceptions that keep appearing.

1/ Stability of a yot is down to the balance of forces between sail & keel(s). But take the sails down & you have an undamped pendulum. Take the mast down too & the damn things flick upright so fast you can be flung across the cockpit quite easily.

2/ The guy in the cockpit was lucky to be wearing a harness & safety line. I would expect that he has had his head down sorting something out in the cockpit - tidying the sheets away, pouring a fresh G&T - who knows? But he has been caught off balance & probably fallen across the cockpit seats as he would not have room to move his feet to regain balance.

An average MoBo is much wider than a yot (it provides stability, space & aids planing). Yots are generally narrow to reduce drag as the keel provides stability. Consequently, a lurch in a mobo will be less noticeable & can be countered by a quick side step, there just isn't room for that in the average yot cockpit & the narrowness of the hull aggravates the flick. In addition, the cockpit will be full of ropes, tiller, sheet horse & winches etc. Next time you are passing one have a good look.

3/ Not relevant to the above Vid, but raggies need to climb on their roofs to fiddle with the sticks & ropes - especially as they approach/ leave congested waters like harbours & marinas. Please show a little consideration in those circumstances. Surely, it is nicer to get a friendly wave & a smile than a stream of abuse & gesticulations.

Out in the open sea it is much less of a problem, but do keep an eye open for the man on the roof (or foredeck) - he is very exposed.

Finally, I'd like to apologise for Dylan Winter's rant on the Scuttlebuttt thread, you are just as entitled to your choice of boat as I am.

 

[AndieMac]

Finally, I'd like to apologise for Dylan Winter

Up to his old tricks again!

 

[Major Catastrophe]

Mmm, remind me, what are the later GB's made of?

Yeah. They realised chipboard was old technology and went for some decent plastic.

 

[LittleShip]

Yeah. They realised chipboard was old technology and went for some decent plastic.

Once again I would like to remind my learned gentlemen that the only reason boats are made of frozen snot these days is cost

Tom

 

[nicho]

I'll say it again - look closely and you will see the guy stumbles off the coachroof as the yacht turns to port, BEFORE the wash actually hits it.

And do you really think the guy was clipped on when motoring in a flat calm sea?? I don't think so.

 

[late-night-lochin]

Once again I would like to remind my learned gentlemen that the only reason boats are made of frozen snot these days is cost

Tom

It's catalysed snot if you don't mind. Much more temperature stable!

 

[Nick_H]

I'll say it again - look closely and you will see the guy stumbles off the coachroof as the yacht turns to port, BEFORE the wash actually hits it.

And do you really think the guy was clipped on when motoring in a flat calm sea?? I don't think so.

The wake hits the yacht at 36 secs, and he falls overboard at 39 secs (though not in the drink as he seems to have a line on). I think the yacht only turns to port because the wake catches it's stern first. I agree it's unusual to have a safety line on in such calm conditions, but maybe he's a non swimmer/newbie/nervous sailor. He's certainly not experienced, or he wouldn't have fallen overboard.