Why MoBo's are not always liked by raggies

Is that video all it seems to be? Commenst are disabled and although at 41 seconds it looks like he's about to hit the water, by 43 seconds, the guy appears to be back aboard the yacht, never having got wet. If anything, I'd say it almost looked like he was trapezing (not that you would on a boat like that). Was this a setup?
 
judging by the gung-ho qualities of the boat's owner, and the other hard-on videos he's posted, I'd bet he is a one-off selfish water user, with more horse power than sense.

Difficult to say fromt he film, but I can't see a sailing boat like that having someone trapezing to leeward.
 
Commenst are disabled and although at 41 seconds it looks like he's about to hit the water, by 43 seconds, the guy appears to be back aboard the yacht, never having got wet.
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So that's good is it? Didn't even quite fall in? The hillbilly laugh says it all..

However friendly the motorboatist (or whatever they call themselves - thanks D Winter) may or may not be, his/her vehicle is causing noise & air pollution; and when he/she is travelling (too) fast, as they invariably do, the vehicle produces even more noise & stink, a wake, and some very displeased neighbours and marine animals.

So if you love combustion engines and noise and smoke so much, why don't you get on your pickup trucks and roam the countryside?
 
idpnd said:
motorboat...noise & air pollution....fast...noise...stink...wake...noise...smoke...
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Hang on, let me get comfy.
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Right, carry on....
 
IDPND; Lovely boat in your avatar, but please, I do NOT wish to start a fight. We all use the same water & I probably use more fuel than most raggies. I use my engine & create noise, smoke & pollution too. I try to minimise it & so do most MoBo's I have seen & met. After all, fuel is not cheap. I understand your views, but do not like the aggressive way you have expressed them here.

My intention is to get people thinking, rather than fighting & spouting entrenched & biggotted views.

Incidentally the raggie in the video does not seem to be aware of the risks & makes no attempt to steer into the wash as I generally try to do.

As to "wearing a trapeze", that is ludicrous, but the guy may well be wearing a harness & lifeline that has prevented him going over the side & potentially saved his life. Especially if the crew is as inexperienced as it seems by their lack of reaction to the wake.
 
There are irreconcilable differences here, and the 'need for speed' will make it very hard to make any progress on the problem you mentioned. Could start a "no planing" movement I guess..
 
I think we should ban all non-wooden boats (and wooden ones made from non-eco friendly, sustainable, fairtrade, free-range trees), as well as anything with an engine. We should also ban all man-made fibre ropes and sails, as these are produced using precious oil. Boats should only be allowed out to sea with written permission from local wildlife (dolphins, porpoises, seals, Belgians etc). Simples.
 
idpnd said:
So that's good is it? Didn't even quite fall in? The hillbilly laugh says it all..
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Well, I didn't say I supported the guy in the mobo. I just asked was that video all it seems to be. Apparently, wondering if it was staged puts me firmly in the seal-clubbing, raggie-drowning, planet-destroying camp. Good to see Belgians have open minds...
 
Searush said:
I know most on here (and where I sail) are courteous and well mannered, but this thread illustrates the sort of dangerous behaviour that gets MoBo's a bad name.:(

Original Utube link just in case you don't want to be seen in Scuttlebutt.:cool:
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OK, here's my take on it. The mobo is perhaps too close, but not THAT close. The guy on board the yacht seems to stumble as the helmsman put the wheel over to port to offset the wash sometime BEFORE the wash actually hits the yacht.

In other words, the guy is not standing securely, and it's the yachts sudden turn to port that causes his loss of balance.

Pretty sure the guy does not end up in the drink.

By the way, many times I've had to turn quite hard at the last moment to avoid getting too close to a yachtsman that tacks regardless of what's in his vicinity. I know raggies like to have a go, but this is a pretty poor example for them to use to hammer mobos.

Anyone else see it that way??
 
nicho said:
OK, here's my take on it. The mobo is perhaps too close, but not THAT close. The guy on board the yacht seems to stumble as the helmsman put the wheel over to port to offset the wash sometime BEFORE the wash actually hits the yacht.

In other words, the guy is not standing securely, and it's the yachts sudden turn to port that causes his loss of balance.

Pretty sure the guy does not end up in the drink.

By the way, many times I've had to turn quite hard at the last moment to avoid getting too close to a yachtsman that tacks regardless of what's in his vicinity. I know raggies like to have a go, but this is a pretty poor example for them to use to hammer mobos.

Anyone else see it that way??
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If the raggie helmsman and crew were aware of what was going on around them they would have seen the MOBO approaching and would have been able to brace themselves or at least been anticipating the wash and it's consequences.
Is this another case of MOBO bashing? I absolutely don't want to add to the argument as I'm not at all biased, in fact I swing both ways......I've sailed many 1000's miles and enjoyed it but, as a MOBO owner, get frustrated by the raggies who blame us without allowing us to defend ourselves...We're all 100% guilty in their eyes.
 
Searush said:
IDPND; Lovely boat in your avatar, but please, I do NOT wish to start a fight. We all use the same water
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I see where you're coming from on this one Steve but I reckon you've opened up an hornits nest!
The guy in the video is obviously a complete knob and I wouldn't particularly like him coming past me like that, even though I'm a moboer. But, like most thing in life, there are extremes on both sides and whether we like it or not there are always going to be raggies who think they're superior to all and own the water, and moboers who think it's their right to go everywhere flat out and ***** everyone else!
I just put it all down to ingorance and selfishness and don't want to be associated with either end of the scale.
 
Cheers Philiz,
Like I said, I have no problem with the vast majority of MoBo's. I will even let the richer ones buy me drinks. :D And I hope you have no problems from me. If I am tacking, I try to time the tacks to pass behind any mobo - basic self-preservation really. IDPND is well out of order in my view and has shown manners equivalent to those displayed in the video.

I have tried to avoid any form of confrontation, but what is shown in the vid happens about 2-3 times a year to me & occasionally causes falls to me/ crew (inc children) & spillage of cups, glasses etc. However, I am passed by mobo's a thousand times a year - which rather puts it in perspective. Very few are bad mannered, but the few that are give everyone a bad name.

There is no benefit in childish bickering, but there is much for us to learn from each other.

Incidentally, the worst offenders are the Fishing boats in Caernarfon harbour who blast past moored boats at close quarters (the channel is narrow) and at hull speed. Being below pouring a pot of tea means you don't see or hear them until it is too late!
 
nicho said:
I know raggies like to have a go, but this is a pretty poor example for them to use to hammer mobos.
Anyone else see it that way??
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I for one. For what can be seen in the video, that looks like a pretty open stretch of water. In which case, probably even a Severn class boat, obviously helmed by a very sensible and experienced helmsman, wouldn't have slowed down at that distance. And its wave would have been even bigger.
But probably nobody would be arguing against RNLI...
...though I'm sure that at least they wouldn't have laughed at what happened.
 
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