Why do ex-raggies

[DougH]

always go for a semi-displacement 'pilot vessel' hull when they finally see sense and turn to the Mobo scene.

1) Is it because they think they are roughty toughty type guys who are used to heavy seas and long passages.

2) Or they have decried 'gin palaces' for so long that they cannot take the leg pulling from other raggies.

3) Or they have never been on a Mobo to know just what luxury is.

4) Or do they just think they are true Old Sea Salts.

My experience is that most solent sailers never get past the Isle of Wight and spend more of their so called sailing time motoring rather than sailing.

Part of a Mobo pleasure is mooring up and getting the kids toys out and relaxing on the back or flybridge of the Mobo in absolute comfort.

The poor raggie is moored in the same area trying to pretend that life is good whilst they are all cramped in a tiny cockpit.

Bet all raggies claim they have been further when they return to the marina whereas the Mobo knows how many hours he has travelled and how many miles he has been.

 

[Chris_d]

Nelsons are the only acceptable raggie mobo for all the reasons you've stated, after years of slagging off gin palaces, floating caravans etc.. they are not going to buy a Sunseeker are they

 

[oldgit]

"Sunseeker" et al

Why would you buy something that looks like a melted icecream,has "dirt magnet" carpet and seat covers, costs a fortune to go anywhere,is almost impossible to see out of downstairs and is like a scary fun fair ride upstairs............when for less money you can have a proper boat.

 

[Chris_d]

"Sunseeker" et al

Why would you buy something that looks like a melted icecream,has "dirt magnet" carpet and seat covers, costs a fortune to go anywhere,is almost impossible to see out of downstairs and is like a scary fun fair ride upstairs............when you can have a proper boat.

With the exception of the looks and the carpets, that sums up the Nelson

 

[jfm]

DougH, I have often thought the same and was thinking the same when reading some recent threads by raggies converting to mobos. But each to their own, so all fine. I suppose a Nelson type boat feels less of a leap than switching to a full gin palace. I do however think the seaworthiness thing on Nelsons is overrated. They are very seaworthy for sure, but not substantially more seaworthy than a SunsFairPrin of the same cost and weight, imho. And they burn a hell of a lot of fuel

"dirt magnet" carpet and seat covers

That line of thinking always amuses me. I've just specced white carpet in my being-built boat (with a contemporary semi shag pile non-velvet look). Fact is, they will be kept clean, so it doesn't matter what colour they are. If you choose a dark colour to "hide the dirt" then that's your choice to run a dirty boat. I'll run a clean one thanks

 

[PaulGooch]

DougH, I have often thought the same and was thinking the same when reading some recent threads by raggies converting to mobos. But each to their own, so all fine. I suppose a Nelson type boat feels less of a leap than switching to a full gin palace. I do however think the seaworthiness thing on Nelsons is overrated. They are very seaworthy for sure, but not substantially more seaworthy than a SunsFairPrin of the same cost and weight, imho. And they burn a hell of a lot of fuel



That line of thinking always amuses me. I've just specced white carpet in my being-built boat (with a contemporary semi shag pile non-velvet look). Fact is, they will be kept clean, so it doesn't matter what colour they are. If you choose a dark colour to "hide the dirt" then that's your choice to run a dirty boat. I'll run a clean one thanks

How well does that stand up to Squid juice, Cod guts and Mackeral scales John ?

 

[sailorman]

DougH, I have often thought the same and was thinking the same when reading some recent threads by raggies converting to mobos. But each to their own, so all fine. I suppose a Nelson type boat feels less of a leap than switching to a full gin palace. I do however think the seaworthiness thing on Nelsons is overrated. They are very seaworthy for sure, but not substantially more seaworthy than a SunsFairPrin of the same cost and weight, imho. And they burn a hell of a lot of fuel



That line of thinking always amuses me. I've just specced white carpet in my being-built boat (with a contemporary semi shag pile non-velvet look). Fact is, they will be kept clean, so it doesn't matter what colour they are. If you choose a dark colour to "hide the dirt" then that's your choice to run a dirty boat. I'll run a clean one thanks

[I've just specced white carpet in my being-built boat]

what about the Spilt Red Wine that stains John

 

[DougH]

[I've just specced white carpet in my being-built boat]

what about the Spilt Red Wine that stains John

One calls for the Butler, silly silly boy.

He served the wine so he can jolly well clean the carpet.

Chin chin old chap

 

[iangrant]

OK so lets turn this on it's head

coming over to the dark side (with a Nelson) it's still a boat.

If you were to go over to sailing which rag and stick would you choose???

Ian

 

[iangrant]

Line by line

always go for a semi-displacement 'pilot vessel' hull when they finally see sense and turn to the Mobo scene.

1) Is it because they think they are roughty toughty type guys who are used to heavy seas and long passages.

No done that - just want a wheelhouse

2) Or they have decried 'gin palaces' for so long that they cannot take the leg pulling from other raggies.

Don't care

3) Or they have never been on a Mobo to know just what luxury is.

Crewed on a 150 footer for a year in the south of france so know luxury beyond your wildest dreams!

4) Or do they just think they are true Old Sea Salts.

Not me gov

My experience is that most solent sailers never get past the Isle of Wight and spend more of their so called sailing time motoring rather than sailing.

Hayling, Plymouth, Vullamura, Grand Canaria, St Lucia, Martinique, Dominica, Guadeloupe, Antigua

Part of a Mobo pleasure is mooring up and getting the kids toys out and relaxing on the back or flybridge of the Mobo in absolute comfort.

Got a flybridge on the Nelson

The poor raggie is moored in the same area trying to pretend that life is good whilst they are all cramped in a tiny cockpit.

Had a big cockpit

Bet all raggies claim they have been further when they return to the marina whereas the Mobo knows how many hours he has travelled and how many miles he has been.

See above.

Have you been in 50 knot winds in Finisterre? If I get caught out I want a boat then will get through the weather (in the warm now though).

Ian

 

[DougH]

coming over to the dark side (with a Nelson) it's still a boat.

If you were to go over to sailing which rag and stick would you choose???

Ian

Easy, Oyster about 20-25 metres long and a permanent professional crew.

Cracking boat but just not for me, maybe when I was a young man.

Ian, my opening post was half serious and half in jest.

Welcome to the dark side, the Nelson is a fine boat and will give you great enjoyment.

 

[DougH]

See above.

Have you been in 50 knot winds in Finisterre? If I get caught out I want a boat then will get through the weather (in the warm now though).

Ian

Ian,

Absolutely no wish to be rude but I cannot understand why anyone would be out in a 50 knot wind.

As a raggie you are no doubt safer than a Mobo in such wind conditions, but now you have a Mobo you have the power and speed to get to a safe haven.

It is these macho statments by raggies (and ex raggies) that I fail to understand.

I bet you are a member of a very select band of raggies who have experienced such conditions.

Doug

 

[oldgit]

Its horses for courses of course,but the Nelson was designed as a working boat and although many have been commisioned for leisure use,would doubt that the built quality of those versions was reduced.It is possibly not the sea keeping but the sheer robustness of the design that attracts purchasers,who perhaps like to explore the odd fish dock or scruffy wharf on occassion.
You are a bit limited where you can moor in typical fly type boat.

Not sure what colour underwater lighting would be right tho

 

[iangrant]

Didn't

Ian,

Absolutely no wish to be rude but I cannot understand why anyone would be out in a 50 knot wind.

As a raggie you are no doubt safer than a Mobo in such wind conditions, but now you have a Mobo you have the power and speed to get to a safe haven.

It is these macho statments by raggies (and ex raggies) that I fail to understand.

I bet you are a member of a very select band of raggies who have experienced such conditions.

Doug

We didn't set out to drive into that sort of weather, Biscay was a wonderful beam reach in a force 4/5 then it started to build and build, the mast was 50' the top of the waves were a wee bit taller, nothing we could do just go through it, would not really want to do that again! We were on passage, 4 days in, and it was what it was.

Ian

 

[iangrant]

Moor Up??

Its horses for courses of course,but the Nelson was designed as a working boat and although many have been commisioned for leisure use,would doubt that the built quality of those versions was reduced.It is possibly not the sea keeping but the sheer robustness of the design that attracts purchasers,who perhaps like to explore the odd fish dock or scruffy wharf on occassion.
You are a bit limited where you can moor in typical fly type boat.

Not sure what colour underwater lighting would be right tho

Not sure about the underwater lights but no need to put fenders out for boats that want to raft against a big black strip!

Ian

 

[Philiz]

always go for a semi-displacement 'pilot vessel' hull when they finally see sense and turn to the Mobo scene.

Because they like 'em, what does it matter.

Why do folk insist on setting Raggie against Mobo all the time?

 

[capnsensible]

I can do both

Keep your bilges dry!

 

[oldgit]

"Why do folk insist on setting Raggie against Mobo all the time"

because its hours of cheap fun and it makes change from baiting people with outdrives ?

 

[oldsaltoz]

Any hull designed to skip across the top of water at speed with a a lot of power is fine as long as the water is not too rough, however, the same hull at displacement speed due to rough conditions is not fine and not fun, and still uses a lot of fuel because the hull shape is not the best as this speed.

A displacement hull with sell power and speed will far more comfortable and able to handle the rougher conditions.

In some areas, and on some longer trips this could make a displacement hull more attractive and perhaps get more use as many faster boats tend to stay in port at the hint of rough weather.

Just me thinking aloud.

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[Lakesailor]

I can live with most of the comments in this thread.
But, white carpets?

That's just wrong.