DAKA
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Or something like this , so you can tow Kite surfers out of lymington
Who thinks this is the correct level of fine
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fireball
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Sorry - quiet country lanes - the ones that are winding and narrow ?? Ah - so it must be ok to sail in narrow channels then ... cool!
l'escargot
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Not for much longer, the few remaining mobos that can afford to fill their tanks won't be able to once they have to pay full duty. Any remaining rich ones will be banned because of the contribution their big juicy engines make to global warming...
I can just hear them at the bar "Now when I used to own a boat..."
Flying Penguin
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Or something like this , so you can tow Kite surfers out of lymington
Yes but only on the "motor only" days, so you won't have to deal with anyone tacking across you
DAKA
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Not for much longer, the few remaining mobos that can afford to fill their tanks won't be able to once they have to pay full duty. Any remaining rich ones will be banned because of the contribution their big juicy engines make to global warming...
I can just hear them at the bar "Now when I used to own a boat..."
Yes I think we have all herd the doom and gloom predictions of stinkers being abandoned in the solent as they run out of fuel
Trouble is the popular British built ones still seem to keep going up in value
Perhaps its because they are full of 1500 litres of liquid gold juice which keeps trebling in value every few months
blueglass
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Sorry - quiet country lanes - the ones that are winding and narrow ?? Ah - so it must be ok to sail in narrow channels then ... cool!
another mid sentence snipper at work.
fireball
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Ok - you want me to quote the sentence in full ??
You were talking about your mates with horses ... implying a comparison to sailing boats ... and your sentence ...
That was your sentence wasn't it? ... Starts with a capital and ends with a full stop ...
Perhaps it's because I have a picture of a sailing boat sailing as my Avatar that seems to upset you so much ... ??
So - I state again - quiet country lanes - the narrow/winding ones ... which must mean you believe it ok for sailing boats to SAIL in narrow winding channels - as after all, you don't want horse riders on motorways - ie the wide open channels ...
Lakesailor
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Glad to see you are all playing nicely over here.
I'll check back later.
I'll check back later.
blueglass
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Actually no, it doesn't mean that at all. The quiet country lanes my mates use carry about two cars a day, travelling not much faster than the horses. The analogy was just that, an analogy, not a literal statement. but then you know that don't you.
What I was attempting to say was that my mates with horses recognise that their mode of transport is at odds with mainsteam traffic and they take sensible steps to minimise inconvenience or danger to others. Also horses don't have auxiliary engines to plug into in narrow channels - you do.
You yachties on here defending the right to sail in harbours and confined areas are flying in the face of 95% of your more thoughtful and sensible fellow sailors who use their engines as a matter of course in these places. What exactly is your problem with doing that.
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Speaking for myself, and ignoring your possible wind up for a minute, if I have a free wind I will use it, and if I can I will sail right up to my mooring, which is about three miles up stream of a river. If getting back to my mooring means an awkward tacky beat to wind then I will like as not use my engine, because it's just a chore otherwise, and I have probably had a good days sailing anyway.
However, if we wish to beat up stream, and tack about the river whilst doing it, that is my prerogative, and seeing as we are not ever likely to see a mobo such as the type that are so beloved on here, we wont be getting in anybodies way while we do it.
You are making sweeping demands on raggies, but I think you have forgotten that there are very many places where we sail that are nothing like Lake Solent or Greek marinas.............Thankfully!
I would also say that if you can't work out what another vessel is likely to do, and adjust your course and speed to suit, then I think you have some training issues that need addressing.
fireball
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That's not what you said - but then you realise that now don't you?
Quiet Country lanes can be quiet - but also have cars speeding through them ...
If we all sailed would tacking in and out of the harbour be "at odds" with the other users?
So - you're making an assumption that the vast majority use engines.... and all sailors should do this to "minimise inconvenience or danger" to others ..
So - I don't know Lymington that well but have visited on quite a few occaisions - I do know there are two sailing clubs there - they run cruiser and dinghy racing - many of whom don't have engines - are they to be confined to being towed in and out?
I can't say that those that sail in and out have been any danger to me - probably because with a dinghy racing background I'm more aware of what course they are likely to take ..
So - we're down to inconvenience - why should "your" convenience be any more important than theirs?
Now you're saying that we're thoughtless and senseless - just because we're not using an engine?
Surely the thoughtlessness depends on the location, density and type of the traffic at the time of the act?
If the channel is full of sailing boats tacking out then it's possibly more sensible to sail out with them - certainly more sensible than powering down with an engine and claim they're zigzagging thoughtlessly and unpredictably ..
On the flipside - if you're having to zigzag out and you're causing a bit of a holdup because nobody can pass you then that could well be considered thoughtless - although there may well be a valid reason for doing so.
Btw - I take offence at being called "You yachties" ... but I'll ignore it as you are clearly hot under the collar and unable to write a coherent argument ... must be all the fumes from your engine ...
l'escargot
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Mainstream traffic? Is that the majority? That is how you seem to be interpreting it with your analogy between horses and cars.
I would say that on an average Solent weekend sailing boats outnumber motorboats by far - probably true in many coastal areas.
Nice of you to suggest that motorboats are at odds with mainstream sailing boats and should take sensible steps to minimise inconvenience or danger to others - perhaps they should keep well clear of confined waters where boats are sailing.
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blueglass
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Who was it you said was getting hot under the collar? - and since when was the term yachties offensive?.That's not what you said - but then you realise that now don't you?
Quiet Country lanes can be quiet - but also have cars speeding through them ...
If we all sailed would tacking in and out of the harbour be "at odds" with the other users?
So - you're making an assumption that the vast majority use engines.... and all sailors should do this to "minimise inconvenience or danger" to others ..
So - I don't know Lymington that well but have visited on quite a few occaisions - I do know there are two sailing clubs there - they run cruiser and dinghy racing - many of whom don't have engines - are they to be confined to being towed in and out?
I can't say that those that sail in and out have been any danger to me - probably because with a dinghy racing background I'm more aware of what course they are likely to take ..
So - we're down to inconvenience - why should "your" convenience be any more important than theirs?
Now you're saying that we're thoughtless and senseless - just because we're not using an engine?
Surely the thoughtlessness depends on the location, density and type of the traffic at the time of the act?
If the channel is full of sailing boats tacking out then it's possibly more sensible to sail out with them - certainly more sensible than powering down with an engine and claim they're zigzagging thoughtlessly and unpredictably ..
On the flipside - if you're having to zigzag out and you're causing a bit of a holdup because nobody can pass you then that could well be considered thoughtless - although there may well be a valid reason for doing so.
Btw - I take offence at being called "You yachties" ... but I'll ignore it as you are clearly hot under the collar and unable to write a coherent argument ... must be all the fumes from your engine ...
It wan't an assumption that the vast majority use engines - it was an observation. I don't live in a bubble and I do have friends who are yachties( oops, sorry) and they all come in on their engines.
fireball
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It's not the word it's the context it was said in - but then context seems to escape your notice.
blueglass
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Sorry to have upset you - I didn't realise you yachties (oh no I 've done it again!) were so sensitive. Good job you don't have to live with being a "Stinkie"
fireball
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the choice to motor or sail is entirely mine.
I suggest you choose your words more carefully in the future.
I suggest you choose your words more carefully in the future.
DAKA
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I thought we were all playing together nicely but it appears possible the thread has taken a serious tone
I would just like to say that all my comments were tongue in cheek and no offence intended to anyone.
bluegrass, I found your comments well worthy of consideration
Fireball, I dont really think that you are that old
Searush, I respect 99% of your ideas, my posts were meant to be ironic as I'm not that young myself any more, I'm actually in my 40's now
grey hairs can be found in my sideburns and I find myself resisting the urge to get on the plane within Harbour boundaries .
What happened to the good old days when you gave a little banter and found it returned in bucket loads instead of complaints, are we all getting old n grumpy , perhaps we should be more tolerant in order to attract younger posters
I would just like to say that all my comments were tongue in cheek and no offence intended to anyone.
bluegrass, I found your comments well worthy of consideration
Fireball, I dont really think that you are that old
Searush, I respect 99% of your ideas, my posts were meant to be ironic as I'm not that young myself any more, I'm actually in my 40's now
grey hairs can be found in my sideburns and I find myself resisting the urge to get on the plane within Harbour boundaries .What happened to the good old days when you gave a little banter and found it returned in bucket loads instead of complaints, are we all getting old n grumpy , perhaps we should be more tolerant in order to attract younger posters
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Chrusty 1
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I thought we were all playing together nicely but it appears possible the thread has taken a serious tone
I would just like to say that all my comments were tongue in cheek and no offence intended to anyone.
bluegrass, I found your comments well worthy of consideration
Fireball, I dont really think that you are that old
Searush, I respect 99% of your ideas, my posts were meant to be ironic as I'm not that young myself any more, I'm actually in my 40's now
What happened to the good old days when you gave a little banter and found it returned in bucket loads instead of complaints, are we all getting old n grumpy , perhaps we should be more tolerant in order to attract younger posters
Well you made me laugh
fireball
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Cheeky sod ... I am younger than you!What happened to the good old days when you gave a little banter and found it returned in bucket loads instead of complaints, are we all getting old n grumpy , perhaps we should be more tolerant in order to attract younger posters
Robin
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Well you made me laugh
Always makes me laugh, sometimes hysterically mind, but laugh.