Who thinks bigger is

Well i think if its too big it can frighten the Ladies./forums/images/icons/shocked.gif

But with a little one like my 23', they are usually much happier./forums/images/icons/smile.gif/forums/images/icons/wink.gif




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You can read into this what you like/forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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We go out for more than 30 mins, but have to admit we do not have a lifebuoy (that orange colour does clash with the white/blue/turquoise on the rest of the boat) and the freeboard is a bit of a problem.

Believe it or not, our old sunseeker was actually a more practical bot to moor up as it had trendy low guardrails, wich stopped just aft of the windscreen - so you could jump on and off easily at any point aft of this.

The Fairline, on the other hand has much higher rails which extend all the way to the end of the side decks, next to the platform, meaning that, as you have observed, the swim platform is the only place you can safely disembark witout a long jump to a bouncy pontoon. However, we do not have the dingy problem, as it is safely tucked away in its garage.

Bet it's not often that you hear a Sunseeker being described as a more practical choice than a fairline!

Moreover, following a move of berths, the finger pontoon is only 33ft long wheras the boat is almost 42ft, so we have no option but to come in stern to - especially if we have any lovely ladies aboard, as it would be most unladylike for them to stretch downa dn jump over a rail.

Unfortunately, Hafan Pwllheli say they have absolutely no alternative berths we can have - those that do have longer fingers are reserved for boats over 50ft, which will then have the same problem as us, even on these longer pontoons.

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ps Forgot to sat that overall, I do find powerboats a lot easier to move around than you average yacht, where there are all sorts of ropes, masts, booms and whatever else you call them to get in the way...also why can't yachts have nice comfy chairs outside?? it's always hard wood/plastic or a crappy little excuse for a cushion covered in vinyl that looks like it came off an articualted lorry trailer...

As for most only going out for 30 minutes, you have to remember that a powerboat will cover as much ground in that itme as a yacht will in 3 hours plus! hehe

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Re:Agree 100 %.

A possible sign of sanity returning to the upper echelons of the boating design world,was a mention of a boat having more angular lines during a advertising puff for some targa thing or other.That was in the wannabes "Hello " equivilent of the marine world...... MB&Y.Thing is of course who will be interested in buying all those soon to be out of fashion melted wedding cake boats./forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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I do understand what you say about covering ground, and it is one of the main differences between raggies and stinkies isn't it, you put the hammers down and aim to get somewhere to stop, we sail and enjoy the getting there as part of the leisure. So we miss last orders at our destination.

It is easy to spot, watch a mobo come into port, within minutes the crew have disembarked and are running ashore for a pint or food. The raggie once tied up, settles in the saloon and relaxes, might have a wander ashore later on, or a wander up the wall and sit on mates boat etc.

As for seating, you are dead right, I think before any of you speed demons come in, they do the ergonomics like an old mini, to keep us awake on our long slow voyage /forums/images/icons/smile.gif.

There is a difference though, the helm on a cruising yacht does not have to hang on for dear life, we switch the pilot on and do other things, so the layout is different, and remember, we are often out in worse weather so leather seats would be a non starter as would lots of foam. The first salt water wave over leather seats must make them stink?



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Uhmm! think you must see a sub category of powerboaters. One of first things you see with boaty chums of mine (powerboating sort) is sorting boat out, putting up canopy, lounging around, talking to peeps, wandering from boat to boat. Then all wander round more sorting out what time to go for dinner, and drinks!, then later back onto boats for more later night drinks.

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Re:Wots a going on

Need some Rennies? Colin Rennie is Chairman of the ATYC and in charge of the Power Boat section of the RYA., his wife is Commodore of the ODCC. Colin's son is a good boat handler, there's three Rennies for you.

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oh dear, you need to be reappraised regarding powerboats. I do think you are really WANTING the users of powerboats to be utterly different beings - but they often aren't. I and others sail and go powerrboating, they're different, but one isn't intrinsically better - although of coursre many mioght have a preference one way or the other.

You seem to see it as a pure issue of speed - yet some powerboats have max 6 knots, and some sailing boats whisk along at towards (or above) 20knots. For myself, i have only "hung on for dear life" in a sailing boat - but it was still fun.

Lond slow voyage - geddawy- sailboats are the speed freaks- try taking a boat to the med and sailboat will beat a powerboat every time, just bosh start hamble arrive gib 1200 nm later no stopping for leisurely visits around the lovely towns along the way.

Anyway, imho, arguing that one is better is silly - it's a matter of preference.

Incidentally, it's also a big shame - raggies/stinkies who are pleasant and inquisitive about all boats rather than sniffy about some get more experience of using/crewing a wider variety of boats which makes them better seamen/women.

Sepretly, you would normally only get leather on deck with a larger powerboat. Lots of the stuff that looks like leather isn't. Some even have leather dashboards, and if you were a bit less judgemental youmight have seen some of these boats from the inside.

Spose thhe antistink thing derives from the fact that a badly-driven powerboat wrecks the enjoyment for other water users, whhereas sailing boats have difficulty doing this. Note that of course you only actually see the tosspots causing unnec wash - not the ones who stay out of the way, of whom there are many. Honest!

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No, i don't agree./forums/images/icons/smile.gif
The description of you from 1 of our fellow forum friends, lends itself to the first picture more. Mind you he does wear glasses.
And thats the image i thing i'd like to keep of you../forums/images/icons/wink.gif



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erm, large sailing boats are similarly difficult to hop on and off, and in marinas both sail and power will have their engines on, so just as dangerous falling from either sail or power. Perhaps decent boat handling skills needed eh? Note that a saiboat is far easier to handle at low speed than power, so in wind they wil have more difficulty than a sailing yacht.

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The "Pwllheli Problem" (apart from its silly name)

I think that some of the comment Jools makes are fair considering what I think he will have observed.

Most (with only a few exceptions) of the big powerboats at Pwllheli are owned and used by those who don't stay on them, but have places in nearby Abersoch (us included, I am afraid). Thus lots of the owners do go out, have a day on the water, come back in and rush off (but usually back to Abersoch, as opposed to the marina bar).

For those who have not been to pwllheli, the marina and the immediate facilities (showers, staff, parking etc) are all pretty new and in most cases excellent. However, the facilities in terms of restaurants, shops and bars are quite frankly appalling. There is only one restaurant/bar and that is Pwllheli Sailing Club, which whilst being basically fine, is fairly limited. There is not even a small provisions shop.

This is because the Marina is owned by the Local Authority (indeed, even after the managers fees are paid it is one of their biggest income generators) and they will not build or allow permission for others to build any restaurants bars or shops as they think it will take trade away from the town, which is about a mile's walk away.

Therefore, if you want to go out to eat or drink, you have to go into Pwllheli itself, which if you are English is not that advisable on a Saturday night - Welsh nationalism is still v strong here and most of the young welshmen with a few beers in them can be pretty intimidating towards a lone Englishman. Aside from that there are not many decent restaurants in Pwllheli istelf- perhaps thisis a vicious circle!?

So, everyone who wants a night out (who is English) decamps to the nearby English Ghetto of Abersoch and spends their money there instead.

Basically what I am saying i that if there were a few decent bars/restaurants around the marina, then perhaps more Mobo's would hover around there a bit longer, instead of decamping down the coast to Aber as quickly as possible and that (contrary to the Local Authority's view) some more hostelries around the Marina might actually boost the restaurant & bar inclome for the town itself.

Oh dear, I seem to have gone on a bit there, but it does expain why most of the motorboaters (and quite a few of the yachtties) do moor up and scurry off sharpish - they are all going back to Abersoch, where they can go and have a beer or a meal out, something which is not possible at the marina really, unless you drink & dine at PSC and only at PSC all season long.

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Powerboat \"Leather\" Seats

As tcm says, it is very rare for a powerboat to have leather seats (in the cockpit at least). They are infact made of a delightful "leather-look" vinyl which is much more immune to sea water. If they were leather, then they would indeed crack and probably smell.

However, some vinyls are better than others - and those on British boats (regardless of cost) are generally rubbish, especially when compared to that supplied on even the cheapest american ski boat.

As for the foam, if it is properly sealed or of the closed cell variety, it will be pretty immune to any amount of water thrown at it. But it seems that most British manufacturers still cut corners here, and if you get them too wet, the foam will either rot or the dye will leach through the vinyl and leave a nice pink (or similar clour) stain on the otherwise white vinyl. This effect is lovely (NOT) and irreversible, most annoying.

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Re: The "Pwllheli Problem" (apart from its silly name)

Hmm...After 15 yrs I think that the words into,pissing and wind come to mind most readily.

For example, there is a small unit of about 500sq ft in the main marina office building that would make a great provisions shop/small bar/ tea rooms etc. This used to be the Pwllheli Sailing Club bar until they built their own building, but now sits empty pretty much all yr round, and has done for 5+ yrs.

One option would be to only allow locals to own and run the bars/restaurants or shops, but they dont seem to have thought of that.

They are now, after having had a 2yr+ waiting list for over 7 yrs, supposed to be extending the marina, but I'll believe it when I see it, especially as it took almost 20 yrs to get the original marina built.

It is all bizarre for an area whose main source of income, by an absolute mile these days, is tourism. Don't get me wrong, there are locals who are welcoming and friendly, but these are in the definite minority. Now it might be me, but it could also be a little more than coincidental that these friendly locals also tend to be the richest locals - take for axample the local butcher in Abersoch who drives a nice new Mercedes and holidays for weeks each winter in the carribbean. He is not quite living off the average wage in the area (which is circa £10kpax)...I wonder why? Could it be that he welcomes tourists and caters for their needs, surely not.

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