Who knows this sailboat?

[ribfreak]

Hello folks,

my name is Wolfgang and I`m from Germany. After years of motor boating I finally made the decision to take it a little slower in the future and get me a small sailboat. I`m in the uppermost north of Germany and could secure me a berth in an ultra small marina just behind the dike. The german word for the estuary I`ll do my sailing in is "Wattenmeer" (mud flat?!) which means that it is heavily influenced by tidal waters. I`m after a sailboat with bilge keels therefore and did find one- but nobody knows what type it is, from what manufacturer it might be and so on- not the slightest clue.

Since most of the older little bilge keelers come from the UK I thought it might be a good thing to register and ask the members in here? The boat looks horrible from the outside but is surprisingly well kept inside the cabin. It is complete with all spars, sails and so on and, as you might guess, dirt cheap, more or less pick-up costs...... here´s three pictures:

Now you might ask why in the world would somebody even consider fixing up that one? Here are some arguments - which are very personal, I know:

- it´s almost for free
- it`s very unique, never seen one of those before and doubt that there´s even one more of that kind over here
- somehow like this round "butt"
- it`s got a well (is that the right word?) for an outboard which means I could install some sort of slider to lift up the outboard while berthed
- since there`s no inboard it´s easy to trailer and I`ll have to do this 2x a year from and back to it´s winter storage which is at least 20km away
- it comes with a matched trailer
- I love to tinker with boats so this one will give me "work" for years to come....

Now if I just knew what brand and type it is? I`d like to have this information also because it might turn out that those boats were the worst sailers of them all and hence to better leave it where it is- who knows?

So really any advice would be great and I hope you all in here won`t mind me signing up here just for a purpose?

Many greetings,
Wolfgang

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Hi Wolfgang, welcome along, a great first post. Can't help you personally but someone on here will recognise this. You might want also to post it in the Yachting Monthly Scuttlebutt forum.

 

[jwilson]

Never seen another, though I'd lay odds on it being a Dutch design.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

Never seen one anything like it, either, and the round stern is unusual enough to notice.

I note that it says "Berlin" on the stern - could it be a German made boat? Maybe it's worth enquiring here: https://www.pyc.de/

 

[sarabande]

Welcome Wolfgang


If there are no labels on the boat (Makers' marks and serial numbers are usually hidden in a locker) then I wonder if there is a name plate on the mast ?

Perhaps the mast maker is still in business and can help identify the yacht for you.

 

[ribfreak]

Hi guys,

many thanks for your answers! I`ve already tried with the Potsdam Yacht Club, but the couldn`t find any information either. The registration number at the bow lead to nothing too because the german shipping authorities refuse to give out data to a private german- guess that´s what we pay them for..... :mad-new:
We were wondering wether it could be an east german design or something made in any of the former eastern countries, but dutch may be another option. I was even considering the possibility that the round stern was homemade but the deck moulding fits way too precise for that.........

Hmmm, but let´s wait some more and see what turns up here, he?

 

[Bajansailor]

She does look like she has German or Scandinavian origins, although the bilge keels are not at all typical for a boat from the Baltic region.

You could perhaps try asking on the Boat Design Forum in the USA - here is a link to a thread where they found the identity of a slightly larger German built fibreglass yacht from the 70's.
https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/what-is-this-design-from-the-70ies.60339/

 

[Deepankar Choudhury]

No, I have not seen anything like this.

 

[NealB]

I like to think that I'm pretty good at knowing old classes, but I don't recognise this one.

As others have mentioned, somehow she doesn't look British.

 

[ribfreak]

Solved!
As awkward as it sometimes gets: I was searching for a sailboat trailer when I stumbled upon an ad which showed a trailer that could`ve suited my boat- after opening that ad I found it to hold a couple of more shots and there was one of it showing the seller´s boat from the stern- bingo, that´s exactly the same a..!!!! I immediatly contacted the man and he answered me that the type was "Condor 7" but that was all he new. The "7" obviously is related to the overall length of these boats...... the boat in the add had a fin keel whereas the one I was after last year featured bilge keels.
I couldn´t come up with more so far, but maybe I can put someone in here in the right direction? The boat I was interested in might be long gone but still I`d like to know more about this unique "bathtub-design".....

Regards & Greetings,
Wolfgang

 

[ribfreak]

me again.....

Just found out the builder of these unique boats was a boatyard named "Stöberl" and there are quite a few still underway on german waters. The design seems to be from the mid 60`s so these babies are really old....

 

[Wansworth]

Did you buy a boat?

 

[Seajet]

Wolfgang,

I hope you found or will soon find a boat; I agree I like the round stern of the Condor, she instantly looked to me like a Van De Stadt design but I'm probably wrong.

You are right to like an outboard well, by far the best solution for this size boat; my boat has this, but no need for sliders, the engine is lifted out and stowed in a cockpit locker for sailing any distance and a fairing plug inserted to reduce drag and noise, on the mooring I just stow the engine.

For this reason it's worth checking if a boat requires a long or standard shaft outboard - a long one is more difficult to stow, depending on the cockpit lockers.

As well as twin or bilge keelers remember a well designed lift keel works well on a drying mud mooring.

Good luck,

Andy