charles_reed
Well-Known Member
Of course I do
hang on your every word...;-)
hang on your every word...;-)
which new small outboard would you get?
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mikemonty
Well-Known Member
How about:
It's illegal to sell them, other than remaining stock, in the EU for eco-reasons (whether you or other agree or otherwise is moot).
If you want to buy one of the remaining - so be it - but if you (I don't mean YOU personally) attempt to circumvent the law just to avoid having to carry a few extra kilos down the beach then you are as guilty as any grey importer. Also, you are guilty of pumping that blue oily sh*t into the air, whether or not you think it makes much difference to the environment - that's the reasoning and the law.
It's illegal to sell them, other than remaining stock, in the EU for eco-reasons (whether you or other agree or otherwise is moot).
If you want to buy one of the remaining - so be it - but if you (I don't mean YOU personally) attempt to circumvent the law just to avoid having to carry a few extra kilos down the beach then you are as guilty as any grey importer. Also, you are guilty of pumping that blue oily sh*t into the air, whether or not you think it makes much difference to the environment - that's the reasoning and the law.
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Chrusty1
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Re: Of course I do
I think maybe you should read what people are saying before offering a critique.
It does seem to be a bit too common on these forums, people have a habit of firing off having only read half of somebodies post, or the other one that makes me smile is they select a portion of someones post and then use it out of context as a way of scoring points.
I am not accusing you of doing any of that, but I think maybe you were being a tad lazy? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I think maybe you should read what people are saying before offering a critique.
It does seem to be a bit too common on these forums, people have a habit of firing off having only read half of somebodies post, or the other one that makes me smile is they select a portion of someones post and then use it out of context as a way of scoring points.
I am not accusing you of doing any of that, but I think maybe you were being a tad lazy? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
l'escargot
Well-Known Member
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...But it is, of course, illegal to sell a 2-stroke in the EC...
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Not if it was built/imported before the ban. There do seem to be new ones coming onto the market still - I bought one last season, a local (reputable) dealer had just got hold of another 20.
Commercial users can still buy them and there is no restriction on second hand ones.
...But it is, of course, illegal to sell a 2-stroke in the EC...
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Not if it was built/imported before the ban. There do seem to be new ones coming onto the market still - I bought one last season, a local (reputable) dealer had just got hold of another 20.
Commercial users can still buy them and there is no restriction on second hand ones.
Refueler
Well-Known Member
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I'm going to be using the outboard and 2.7mr inflatable mostly around Chichester harbour. i think a 2.5 4stroke would push it along OK.
I've spent a while looking for new or nearly new 3.3 2strokes and they are very expensive now as people still rate them highly
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Of course it will do the job ... even a Seagull featherweight will do it ... question is how much spare 'oomph' do you want. On a 2.7mtr flubber 3 - 4hp is enough ... 5 is just over if not careful. Thats with 2st's ... With a 4st - a 4.5hp is probably better but then you pay penalty on weight.
IMHO of course !
As regards pricing on 2st's .... understandable as supply dries up ... people still want simple, fill with fuel, pull and go 2 st'rs ... without the 4 st'r limitations and higher cost servicing etc.
I'm going to be using the outboard and 2.7mr inflatable mostly around Chichester harbour. i think a 2.5 4stroke would push it along OK.
I've spent a while looking for new or nearly new 3.3 2strokes and they are very expensive now as people still rate them highly
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Of course it will do the job ... even a Seagull featherweight will do it ... question is how much spare 'oomph' do you want. On a 2.7mtr flubber 3 - 4hp is enough ... 5 is just over if not careful. Thats with 2st's ... With a 4st - a 4.5hp is probably better but then you pay penalty on weight.
IMHO of course !
As regards pricing on 2st's .... understandable as supply dries up ... people still want simple, fill with fuel, pull and go 2 st'rs ... without the 4 st'r limitations and higher cost servicing etc.
nyx
New Member
I'd be really interested in peoples opinion about the jetmarine brand.
cant really find much info apart from an out of date website.
it does list dealers so I'll give the one in Littlehampton a ring in the morning.
as someone says above that parson are getting a reputation for reliability i wondered if the jetmarine was worth getting.
cant really find much info apart from an out of date website.
it does list dealers so I'll give the one in Littlehampton a ring in the morning.
as someone says above that parson are getting a reputation for reliability i wondered if the jetmarine was worth getting.
Alrob
Well-Known Member
with regards to your worry about enough power I can tell you I have a 2.7 inflatable keel with a mercury 3.5HP 2st and if I sit in the middle I can get it up on the plane (I weigh in at 100 Kg) - a wee flying machine !!!!
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Refueler
Well-Known Member
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with regards to your worry about enough power I can tell you I have a 2.7 inflatable keel with a mercury 3.5HP 2st and if I sit in the middle I can get it up on the plane (I weigh in at 100 Kg) - a wee flying machine !!!!
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Bet you couldn't with a same HP 4st !
My Avon Redstart came with a Johnson twin 4.5hp 2st .... I soon took that off, it was ok when careful - but tweak the throttle and it was lethal !
with regards to your worry about enough power I can tell you I have a 2.7 inflatable keel with a mercury 3.5HP 2st and if I sit in the middle I can get it up on the plane (I weigh in at 100 Kg) - a wee flying machine !!!!
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Bet you couldn't with a same HP 4st !
My Avon Redstart came with a Johnson twin 4.5hp 2st .... I soon took that off, it was ok when careful - but tweak the throttle and it was lethal !
charles_reed
Well-Known Member
Re: Of course I do
Read what you say - happen to disagree.
Modern 2-strokes are no more difficult to start than 4-strokes, in terms of noise there is little difference when both are flat out. 2-strokes offer a better power/weight ration especially in the small sizes.
4-strokes are heavier, less polluting, more economical and more expensive.
Why else are so many hanging on to their 2-strokes and not rushing to buy 4-strokes?
Read what you say - happen to disagree.
Modern 2-strokes are no more difficult to start than 4-strokes, in terms of noise there is little difference when both are flat out. 2-strokes offer a better power/weight ration especially in the small sizes.
4-strokes are heavier, less polluting, more economical and more expensive.
Why else are so many hanging on to their 2-strokes and not rushing to buy 4-strokes?
Laundryman
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I havent had my jetmarine very long so cannot vouch for its longevity. I can tell you that it starts first pull every time and does not appear at all inferior to the others at twice the price. I use it to power my tender to and from my mooring and not much else so cannot see the point in paying the extra to buy a yamaha etc. . Just noticed the same seller on ebay with the same deal still on offer.
nyx
New Member
I'm really tempted by the jetmarine if it can be had for anywhere near the price you paid.
my head is hurting now.
i think I've made up my mind to get the yam 4st and then i look some more and see two strokes as light and not too smelly and then a jetmarine at £210. my head hurts
my head is hurting now.
i think I've made up my mind to get the yam 4st and then i look some more and see two strokes as light and not too smelly and then a jetmarine at £210. my head hurts
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
Mount Batten Boat house have at least one brand spanking new Mercury/Mariner 2.5hp 2 stroke in stock in Plymouth... I saw it on Friday.....
Anyone who has one of these will tell you... THESE ARE THE BEST OUTBOARDS EVER MADE!! YOU WOULD BE BONKERS NOT TO BUY ONE IF YOU HAVE THE CHOICE!!!
Ours is 10 years old, been serviced twice, starts on the first pull... excellent piece of kit.
If you buy that outboard you will A) NEVER be dissapointed. B) Will probably be able to sell it at a profit...
Anyone who has one of these will tell you... THESE ARE THE BEST OUTBOARDS EVER MADE!! YOU WOULD BE BONKERS NOT TO BUY ONE IF YOU HAVE THE CHOICE!!!
Ours is 10 years old, been serviced twice, starts on the first pull... excellent piece of kit.
If you buy that outboard you will A) NEVER be dissapointed. B) Will probably be able to sell it at a profit...
whisper
Well-Known Member
Personally I wouldn't buy one 'cos of lack of N gear. Also, the 3.3/3.5 is the same block and almost the same weight.
All IMHO.
All IMHO.
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
I agree the 3.3 is a better motor.... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
But I cant think of a better 2.5.. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
But I cant think of a better 2.5.. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
whisper
Well-Known Member
Yes, you're probably right
Actually with a 2.7m dinghy, 2 adults plus baggage, I'd go for the larger engine anyway.
Our Honda 2.3 struggles a bit with a 2.2m dinghy with 3 adults on board - wouldn't want to go far against hard running tides. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Actually with a 2.7m dinghy, 2 adults plus baggage, I'd go for the larger engine anyway.
Our Honda 2.3 struggles a bit with a 2.2m dinghy with 3 adults on board - wouldn't want to go far against hard running tides. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Alrob
Well-Known Member
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with regards to your worry about enough power I can tell you I have a 2.7 inflatable keel with a mercury 3.5HP 2st and if I sit in the middle I can get it up on the plane (I weigh in at 100 Kg) - a wee flying machine !!!!
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of course this should have read " mercury 3.3 hp " not 3.5hp . It is the Tohatsu thats 3.5hp (funny that)
with regards to your worry about enough power I can tell you I have a 2.7 inflatable keel with a mercury 3.5HP 2st and if I sit in the middle I can get it up on the plane (I weigh in at 100 Kg) - a wee flying machine !!!!
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of course this should have read " mercury 3.3 hp " not 3.5hp . It is the Tohatsu thats 3.5hp (funny that)
Topcat47
Well-Known Member
The pollution effect of a small 2-stroke is negligible compared with a similar sized 4-stroke. The 4-stroke has a more complicated service requirement and has the added complication of needing to be stored and transported in the correct orientation. Pound for pound (or euro for euro) the 2-stroke sub 6hp is by far the most cost effective solution.
Personally, I'd only consider a four stroke for 20+hp needs. As I stated earlier, there are still "new old stock" 2-strokes available in the UK and the CI's are not governed by EU rules so there may well be new 2-strokes available there. (Guernsey, Jersey and possibly Alderney).
Anyone who thinks the residual oil deposits from a modern 2-stroke, running on a 2% mix are a problem is an ecomaniac ignoring the science and maths in the equation.
It's a bit like banning TBT antifouling for leisure vessels but allowing it for bulk carriers, tankers and trans-oceanic container vessels.
Personally, I'd only consider a four stroke for 20+hp needs. As I stated earlier, there are still "new old stock" 2-strokes available in the UK and the CI's are not governed by EU rules so there may well be new 2-strokes available there. (Guernsey, Jersey and possibly Alderney).
Anyone who thinks the residual oil deposits from a modern 2-stroke, running on a 2% mix are a problem is an ecomaniac ignoring the science and maths in the equation.
It's a bit like banning TBT antifouling for leisure vessels but allowing it for bulk carriers, tankers and trans-oceanic container vessels.
grumpy_o_g
Well-Known Member
I agree - I have seen people say that a good 2 stroke is actually cleaner as it releases the pollution in controlled way that the environment can cope with. The eco-loonies conveniently forget the fact that there's a sump-full of oil to dispose of at every service and that's in a form that is very hard for just about any environment to deal with. They also never ask what happened to the oil that disappeared when you top it up every so often.
charles_reed
Well-Known Member
and the 3.5/3.3
is even better whether in Tohatsu (the real makers), Mariner or Mercury guise.
Whilst they need regular servicing, it's far easier and quicker than with a 4-stroke.
But if you are a dedicated ecologist and use your ob in enclosed waters, a 4-stroke is far less damaging (it's the spent lube oil)
is even better whether in Tohatsu (the real makers), Mariner or Mercury guise.
Whilst they need regular servicing, it's far easier and quicker than with a 4-stroke.
But if you are a dedicated ecologist and use your ob in enclosed waters, a 4-stroke is far less damaging (it's the spent lube oil)
charles_reed
Well-Known Member
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...But it is, of course, illegal to sell a 2-stroke in the EC...
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Not if it was built/imported before the ban. There do seem to be new ones coming onto the market still - I bought one last season, a local (reputable) dealer had just got hold of another 20.
Commercial users can still buy them and there is no restriction on second hand ones.
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Just a form of shorthand.
Not only are those, allowed for in the directive, but quite a few "grey" imports are now coming in from countries with less repressive regimes. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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...But it is, of course, illegal to sell a 2-stroke in the EC...
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Not if it was built/imported before the ban. There do seem to be new ones coming onto the market still - I bought one last season, a local (reputable) dealer had just got hold of another 20.
Commercial users can still buy them and there is no restriction on second hand ones.
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Just a form of shorthand.
Not only are those, allowed for in the directive, but quite a few "grey" imports are now coming in from countries with less repressive regimes. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif