which boat ticks these boxes??

[herdman]

I am looking for a boat that fits the following requirements and would be very interested in any views...

1)Has 3 seperate sleeping cabins (ie not including saloon)
2) Is stiff in a breeze - will never "lean over" to much and anger the boss
3) Is reasonably traditional in design - nb not too much horrible bright plastic inside or out
4) Can be an older design - do not mind going back up to even 20 years old or more if its good enough quality...
5) Hopefully would be 40' or less
6) budget still undecided - just trying to start with ideas - finances can be discussed with boss later...

I do not mind something towards the motorsailer side of things, I suspect I will not be doing a lot of tacking, but I DO want to be able to enjoy a good sail on a beam reach...
any thoughts much appreciated!!

Many thanks...

 

[bigwow]

The only boat that will fit the bill is a multihull!

 

[heerenleed]

the third cabin is the problem. If two would be sufficient there is plenty of coice. Examples: The Nicholson 39 or 40AC (especially the 40 for looks). Or, if you want a deck saloon, the Nicholson 40 DS.

But, it's all a matter of taste. I think the fact you want three separate cabins almost automatically brings you to a BenJanBav... And those are definitely not a traditional or classic design. Also, their behaviour at sea is quite different from the more heavyweight older designs. But it is all a matter of what you want or need...

cheers

 

[SoSageofLorn]

Not quite, there is a very nice Malo 42 at Kip with the two aft cabin layout, that ticks all his boxes and for a shade over two hundred thou, is a snip!

 

[Talbot]

As has already been stated, a multihull will provide the answer with ease. My Catalac 9m has 3 seperate cabins (one a full size double) and a large shower/heads. plus an additional pilot berth and facility for a further double bed in the saloon

SWMBO will also enjoy the ability to see out and to be at the same level when in the saloon as the helm.

Heating and a solid roof over the wheel position enables more enjoyment durig a british "summer"

all for less than £30k

Did I say mine was for sale! (after long term ownership /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif)

 

[Dyflin]

A tricky request this one. Even if you find a boat that ticks all the boxes it still doesn't mean any available models will be up to scratch.

But some boats that tick some or all of the boxs include:
Dufour 385
Sweden 40 (Out 2008)
Baveria 39 (plus a few more Baveria's)
Grand Soleil 40'
Elan Impression 384
Westerly Oceanlord
Hunter 41AC
Sigma 400

 

[tomg]

The Warrior 40 seems to tick all your boxes. A Bill Dixon design made by Trident Marine (now defunct) three sleeping cabins, two sets of heads, conservative longish keel underwater shape, 10tons lightship with a bit over 4 tons in the encapsulated keel, cutter rigged, 50 or 55hp engine. Very easy motion in a seaway, a real gentleman of a boat but can get a move-on when required. Love mine.

 

[orizaba]

i'm surprised the warrior 40 hadn't been mentioned before tomg, would agree with all you say plus seems absolutley huge down below for its lenght plus large cockpit,seating area,much bigger than the nic 39,
and can be bought at a reasonable price i think
had friends with nic 39 and thought it was big,a guy came in on a 40 and could not believe how much room there was on it

 

[BrokerBen]

Any boat from recent years in a charter layout with have twin aft cabins and a forepeck cabin, all with doubles...

Jeanneau
Bavaria
Beneteau
Dufour
Moody
Legend

 

[PIGLETSDREAM]

Oyster 39 ketch springs to mind

 

[TigaWave]

My old favorite the Bavaria 390 Lagoon, does all of the above and more.

The Lagoon has three doubles + saloon, the Caribic has four doubles + saloon but a smaller shower.

 

[tjbrace]

I bought exactly that spec last year. First 38s5. Absolutely gorgeous.

 

[PIGLETSDREAM]

There are doubles and there are doubles for midgets, but if you have to climb over some one to get out, is that a double?

 

[TigaWave]

And then there are king size

 

[mocruising]

The older Hallberg Rassy's

 

[PIGLETSDREAM]

Now thats a double, climb out of bed without waking the partner

 

[jsl]

But how do you stop your pillows from falling off the edge?

 

[kengill]

Why not buy Johanna Lucretia. I reckon she's seriously for sale. 100K should secure sale and set asided 30k for a refit of the rigging Hey presto 98 feet of serious cruising topsail schooner with square rigged foremast.

 

[wotayottie]

[ QUOTE ]
Any boat from recent years in a charter layout with have twin aft cabins and a forepeck cabin, all with doubles...

Jeanneau
Bavaria
Beneteau
Dufour
Moody
Legend

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All bar the Moody would fail requirement 2 and possibly 3 as well.

 

[photodog]

Erhh, As far as I read requirment 2 its that hes looking for a stiff boat!

That means, high form stability. So hes either into a Cat, or hes into something with quite a bit of beam, and I agree with
brokerben that all of these modern boats fit the bill.

The three cabin thing is also pretty clear.

The Warrior is a inspired idea, The problem is that most older designs didnt have the space aft to have two cabins, and they didnt have the beam to have the high form stability.

If not much plastic is wanted, then avoid Catalina's ( /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif) try looking at Dufour Classics, maybe a 38 from around 2000.

There are of course plenty of Jeunaus and Benetaues and moodys that will probably fit the bill from the 80's and 90's as well.

Sounds to me like a more modern boat is what is required, or a multi hull.

Go to SIBS, and go maybe have a look at the various used shows as well, I dont think if you are ticking the stiff box and the 3 cabin box that you are going to want a older boat!