Where oh! where....? For Sale site(s) ?

[Tippy2024]

Hello Sailors,

I have duly exhausted my sweeps of ApolloDuck, BoatShed and the YachtMarket - I recently have been drowning in FB Marketplace - its the Ninth Circle of Hell i am sure.

Is there a YBW Boats for Sale site? I have had a look around and cant find it. Also, are there any other good sites for me to waste huge amounts of time upon..?

FWIW - I am after a Mud-Lover - Westerly Pageant, Hurley 24/70 or Leisure 23SL or maybe a Snapdragon 24. I know, I know - slow boats to China etc. But i wanted the headroom clearance..my son is 6'2"and my nephew 6'4"

With Thanks.

 

[mrming]

Boats like that often appear on eBay, so worth setting up a search on there as well as continuing to watch Apollo Duck. Definitely a buyer’s market for small, vintage cruisers, so take your time and buy on condition. To paraphrase Quentin Wilson - buy the owner, not the boat.

For Westerly specifically, the WOA has an ads section: Craft for Sale

You could also try to find / ask owners associations or groups for other boat models you’re interested in. Quite often they’ll have a Facebook group you can join.

 

[ashtead]

Doesn’t exist on ybw -they withdrew what was a useful feature in covid times. If looking for say a lovely Westerly I would try the westerly owners association. I don’t know if the others you mention have a similar owners association but Westerly owners even have a boat at Southampton Boat show so you could visit and gain info face 2 face from existing owners. Personally I think a pageant is to small for your son let alone nephew so you might have to upsize to get headroom sought. I guess you want bilge keel but there are other westerly’s which offer this -alternatively look at lifting keels eg southerly types . Good luck in your searches -if you say a your sailing area it might elicit a few local suggestions as well.

 

[Muddy32]

Try "Hunter Association" which has some good boats for salel, with bilge and lifting keel models.

 

[Tippy2024]

Boats like that often appear on eBay, so worth setting up a search on there as well as continuing to watch Apollo Duck. Definitely a buyer’s market for small, vintage cruisers, so take your time and buy on condition. To paraphrase Tiff Needel - buy the owner, not the boat.

For Westerly specifically, the WOA has an ads section: Craft for Sale

You could also try to find / ask owners associations or groups for other boat models you’re interested in. Quite often they’ll have a Facebook group you can join.

Thank you very much - great steers.

 

[Tippy2024]

Try "Hunter Association" which has some good boats for salel, with bilge and lifting keel models.

I will do so....immediately ! Thank yoo

 

[Wansworth]

Hello Sailors,

I have duky exhausted my sweeps of ApolloDuck, BoatShed and the YachtMarket - I recently have been drowning in FB Marketplace - its the Ninth Circle of Hell i am sure.

Is there a YBW Boats for Sale site? I have had a look around and cant find it. Also, are there any other good sites for me to waste huge amounts of time upon..?

FWIW - I am after a Mud-Lover - Westerly Pageant, Hurley 24/70 or Leisure 23SL or maybe a Snapdragon 24. I know, I know - slow boats to China etc. But i wanted the headroom clearance..my son is 6'2"and my nephew 6'4"

With Thanks.

There’s a Snapdragon for Sale In. A Coruna!

 

[Tippy2024]

There’s a Snapdragon for Sale In. A Coruna!

Who ever took a boat with a 2.04 Capsize opportunity did very very well. Big Respects. Now, I live Down South..but not that far. But thank you Wansworth.

 

[ProDave]

Try gumtree as well.

 

[pandos]

Try gumtree as well.

Also try lonely boats...always worth a look...

 

[Stemar]

Who ever took a boat with a 2.04 Capsize opportunity did very very well. Big Respects. Now, I live Down South..but not that far. But thank you Wansworth.

We had a Snapdragon 24 for about 18 years until Madame could no longer manage the companionway easily. Not the fastest boat around, especially if you're trying to go to windward - that's what the engine's for - but she looked after us several times in weather that we shouldn't have been out in, including 30+ knots off St Albans Head. I'd have had no hesitation in taking her across Biscay given a half-decent forecast, and we did take her across the channel.

I presume you're talking about the capsize ratio. I had to look it up, but it seems to me to be a very crude measure. Any sailing boat will capsize if hit by a breaking wave of sufficient size, very few will do it without help, once you get over dinghy size because, as the boat heels, the wind loses its grip on the sails and the sea loses its grip on the keel. The reason a Snappy isn't great to windward is because as she heels, the relatively shallow keels lose their grip, and she slides off sideways.

If you're thinking of racing, a Snapdragon is absolutely the wrong boat for you, but if you'd be happy with a tough little motorsailer that won't break the bank, they're well worth a look.

 

[Wansworth]

We had a Snapdragon 24 for about 18 years until Madame could no longer manage the companionway easily. Not the fastest boat around, especially if you're trying to go to windward - that's what the engine's for - but she looked after us several times in weather that we shouldn't have been out in, including 30+ knots off St Albans Head. I'd have had no hesitation in taking her across Biscay given a half-decent forecast, and we did take her across the channel.

I presume you're talking about the capsize ratio. I had to look it up, but it seems to me to be a very crude measure. Any sailing boat will capsize if hit by a breaking wave of sufficient size, very few will do it without help, once you get over dinghy size because, as the boat heels, the wind loses its grip on the sails and the sea loses its grip on the keel. The reason a Snappy isn't great to windward is because as she heels, the relatively shallow keels lose their grip, and she slides off sideways.

If you're thinking of racing, a Snapdragon is absolutely the wrong boat for you, but if you'd be happy with a tough little motorsailer that won't break the bank, they're well worth a look.

And for such a small boat it has a spacious heads

 

[Tippy2024]

There’s a Snapdragon for Sale In. A Coruna!

You sailed it there! Big up Blood.
I am looking closely at ( re-engined) Snapdragon 24's and 747 (around 5k - 6k) myself. Cant get enough of that chunky stuff at sea as you say! ... And ..the phrase about capsize ratio was chucked at me.
Regardless ...my only concern on the Snappie is the traveller at the door - the companion way. From a dinghy pov it seems sensible to have it there, as all lines and ropes should do a good job.

However, from a swing-and-knock me out while singlehanded pov...I do wonder.
I would very much welcome your EXPERT view on the matter.

 

[Tippy2024]

We had a Snapdragon 24 for about 18 years until Madame could no longer manage the companionway easily. Not the fastest boat around, especially if you're trying to go to windward - that's what the engine's for - but she looked after us several times in weather that we shouldn't have been out in, including 30+ knots off St Albans Head. I'd have had no hesitation in taking her across Biscay given a half-decent forecast, and we did take her across the channel.

I presume you're talking about the capsize ratio. I had to look it up, but it seems to me to be a very crude measure. Any sailing boat will capsize if hit by a breaking wave of sufficient size, very few will do it without help, once you get over dinghy size because, as the boat heels, the wind loses its grip on the sails and the sea loses its grip on the keel. The reason a Snappy isn't great to windward is because as she heels, the relatively shallow keels lose their grip, and she slides off sideways.

If you're thinking of racing, a Snapdragon is absolutely the wrong boat for you, but if you'd be happy with a tough little motorsailer that won't break the bank, they're well worth a look.

I really do thank you for this info. I think the Sanpdragon 24 / 27 are really decent little boats - very plucky as you say.
I was waivering on a Snappie ...but I do like a chunky boat you can trust, and your steers here are well received and appreciated. I hope to view a 747 this week!

 

[Wansworth]

You sailed it there! Big up Blood.
I am looking closely at ( re-engined) Snapdragon 24's and 747 (around 5k - 6k) myself. Cant get enough of that chunky stuff at sea as you say! ... And ..the phrase about capsize ratio was chucked at me.
Regardless ...my only concern on the Snappie is the traveler at the door - the companion way. From a dinghy pov it seems sensible to have it there, as all lines and ropes should do a good job.

However, from a swing-and-knock me out while singlehanded pov...I do wonder.
I would very much welcome your EXPERT view on the matter.

No nothingto do with me ,it’s for sale on internet site

 

[Tippy2024]

No nothingto do with me ,it’s for sale on internet site

Aaaaah.. thanks tho!

 

[Tippy2024]

Aaaaah.. thanks tho! the fact that one is there says....something.

 

[Wansworth]

……yes I did come by sea ,many tides ago

 

[Tippy2024]

……yes I did come by sea ,many tides ago

so does driftwood.
But assuming, you sailed it....i would value your view and any other wise seadogs view on main sheet travellers at the companion way..?
helps..? hinders..? avoidable risk..? The big Dufour GL I sailed on was German type traveller and the Jenneau i learnt on was the same. Am clueless.

 

[zoidberg]

.....and any other wise seadogs view on main sheet travellers at the companion way..?

A traveller positioned there has pinned many a furiously-cursing yottie, with hurt.
It's certainly practicable to retrofit a robust new section of track further aft, spanning the cockpit. Barton do a kit

It's also practicable - and far cheaper - to fit a pair of robust folding padeyes to the coamings ( well reinforced ) and use a double mainsheet system.