maby
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Assuming you can buy it.
where can i get blue dye for diesel?
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Assuming you can buy it.
sailorman
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quite so
Stork_III
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It is not required to be 100% duty paid. The Dutch accept the 60/40 split.
Last year I had extensive contact with the Netherlands Embassy in London, who kindly confirmed the Netherlands Customs position. Here is what they said. I don't believe the situation has changed since.
"As promised in my email from 10 January I would come back to you as I had heard from the National Office of the Customs Administration of the Netherlands. They have send us an answer to our questions and I can now give you the following information.
The Information I have given you in my email of the 4th of January is the correct one! I hereby send you again the policy according to Red Diesel, as I wrote to you then:
You can fill up your tanks with red diesel, but not take more fuel with you then the amount of your tanks. You have to be able to show the receipt, which can’t be older than 1 year old. On the receipt should be written that “the difference in tax between white and red diesel is paid by the UK Government (the 60/40 notice)”. According to the Dutch Customs this should be on the receipt automatically.
If you keep to these points and can show the above mentioned papers and notes the Dutch Customs can’t fine you. The National Office is aware that the Regional Custom Offices are not always dealing in according to this policy and have made the National Policy clear, once again, to all the Regional Offices.
The National Office has made it clear to us that if you still would get a Fine, they only can investigate this on an individual basis and advise that in that case you keep all the paperwork.
I really hope this information will help you further.
With kind regards,
Lieke Conijn
Office Manager
........................................................................
Embassy of the Kingdom of the Netherlands
Economic Section
38 Hyde Park Gate | SW7 5DP | London
sailorman
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I was really thinking of Belgium as their position is not confirmed
VicS
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Methylene blue dyes most things blue. would have to check that is soluble in diesel oil though.
BUT
Its not only the visible dye that matters all non taxed diesel also contains a chemical marker. If thats detected you are done for, whatever the actual visible colour is
BUT
Its not only the visible dye that matters all non taxed diesel also contains a chemical marker. If thats detected you are done for, whatever the actual visible colour is
maby
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The dye is the chemical marker - the legislation choses a dye that is difficult to remove. If you are suspected of using marked fuel, the prosecution will not depend on a simple visual examination of the fuel - they will run a proper laboratory analysis.
jimi
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What we need to do is arrange for a fuel tanker with white diesel to come quayside so we can all fuel up before the Ostend trip!
vyv_cox
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Many years ago on a cruise to Ireland I added green dyed diesel to my red and found it went colourless. I have read in threads on this topic that this is not true now, it goes brown. However, my memory is absolutely clear on the subject. So you need some 20 year old Irish diesel. Assuming the red dye used in ours now remains the same.
maby
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Fortunately the Belgians are not enforcing the rules at the moment - we've been round this discussion last year and it takes several refills to get the level of dye down below the legal limit - don't think you can get away with one simple fill up with white.
sailorman
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I believe that "as long as it looks white" that`s ok, i do not believe they go that far under the bonnet to detect markers. They are not HMRC inspecting DERV
sailorman
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one fill & the fuel "appears" white from my experience. after last season using white,red,white my sight tube is still showing white
maby
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I guess it depends on how officious they are being. The legislation does describe the testing methods that should be applied before bringing a prosecution and they can detect the presence of the marker at levels which are not readily visible to the naked eye. Like you, I suspect that the revenue man is just going to dip your tank and hold it up to the light - in which case you will get away with a substantially lower level of dilution.
sailorman
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I have yet to have any probs in Belgium or Holland. my first trip in own boat was 1978
awol
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You can stop worrying then. France is closer to Ipswich than Belgium.
sailorman
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Very much the same distance
awol
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Over 10% different so if that is "Very much the same" in your book, then that's fine. So 10% less fuel cost - Jimi doesn't actually sail that thing, does he? - and no worries about pink. Calais is a no brainer for cheap booze buying. There isn't any other reason for going to Belgium, is there?
jimi
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Oh dear , what draught have you got? Personally with 2 metre draught I'll avoid bumping into sandbanks and things, sm@rt@ss!
sailorman
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Harwich > Calais 67.2 ish
Harwich > Dunkerque 70.5 ish
Harwich > Oostende 72.5
I am pleased you dont navigate for me
jimi
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I'd also not employ AWOL as navigator! cos not only will he be bumping into sandbanks , miscalculating distances but he'll also be crossing TSS at oblique angles!
awol
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Harwich > Calais 67.2 ish
Harwich > Dunkerque 70.5 ish
Harwich > Oostende 72.5
I am pleased you dont navigate for me
According to my laptop chartplotter Harwich to Calais is 61.33nm breakwater to breakwater, I can't be bothered with the rest.
Jimi wrote that Belgium was the closest foreign country to Ipswich (though I reckon Essex probably is) and he was wrong. That he cannae work out the tides and hits sandbanks is neither here nor there. You can fart about all you like with mileages, TSSs, sandbanks, windfarms, et al but it disnae change the shape of our oblate spheroid and move any of Ipswich, France or Belgium - so there!
Whitfor you fighting his battles for him, anway?
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