seadog30
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"When does a boat become a clasic ?"
Simple !
When you are trying to sell it !!!!
Simple !
When you are trying to sell it !!!!
When does a boat become a "classic boat"?
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Tranona
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All you are doing here is confirming that you do indeed live in a mythical (and somewhat limited) world of your own construction.
PhillM
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You know you own a classic when you take pride in looking at her when you've finshed a job, or when you are embarrassed not to have started one.
VO5
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There is a myth.....and I will explain to you what it is....
Perhaps on the South Coast you do not see so many examples,
but here in the Mediterranean, because of the climate and because it has somehow filtered from the sailing world to the world of fashion, and by that I mean looks which are within the means of everyone and readily accessible by everyone, you see many people wandering around wearing sailing clothing.....not oilies, but shorts, polo shirts, deck shoes and canvas hats.
To the untrained eye, they look nautical.
But to the trained eye they are immediately identifiable as posers.
It is obvious they are posers, because, in contradisctinction to the real sailors (and sailorettes) they look squeaky clean and the clothes are spanking new. There is never a smudge of paint, tar, or grease to be detected anywhere.
It is not a mythical world. It is a very real world, you see ?
The fact that Seajet, according to your deduction, contains these ideas in his mind are to his credit.
He seems to be one of the few to notice these things, though he may not articulate them clearly enough to you for you to have a tangible reality of what he really means, which is what I explain above. You ought to spend some time on the shores of the Med with your eyes wide open, and only then will your understanding and perception be changed for you, forever.
Equally, you will come across the sunburnt, the wearers of bleached out clothing, the callous handed and those of both sexes who immediately identify themselves by looks that cannot be counterfeited to be the real sailors and very different from the posers. It is not a myth. It may be what you consider to be a myth, simply because you do not or have not observed properly.
Instead, you have seen, looked, glimpsed or even gazed. You need to cultivate the ability to observe properly, by putting your attention on something or someone in order to arrive at conclusions based on reality. It is not difficult. You ought to try it.
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fredrussell
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What an an extraordinary amount of waffle!
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I agree many confuse the adjectives classic and old probably in the belief that old somehow means better.
From the OED: -
If a Centaur is very typical of its kind then it should be considered a classic, The Contessa 32 not being 'greatly subject to change in fashion' must be a classic and something like the J Class has to be 'of the highest quality and outstanding of it's kind'.
Resolution
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Well done Boots for hauling out your OED and breathing some sanity into this thread. Seajet, you definitely need to raise your standards. I feel slightly proud that in forty years of sailing I have only sailed on one of your long list of unexceptional boats.
When it comes to cars vs boats, one reason an old car might become a classic is scarcity. The MOT, rust and wear and tear gradually eliminate most cars. Values trend towards a fully depreciated zero. Fibreglass boats don't suffer in the same way and hang around long after their useful lives should have ended. We need a boat MOT to remove ordinary old boats, leaving the Classics to be enjoyed and valued.
When it comes to cars vs boats, one reason an old car might become a classic is scarcity. The MOT, rust and wear and tear gradually eliminate most cars. Values trend towards a fully depreciated zero. Fibreglass boats don't suffer in the same way and hang around long after their useful lives should have ended. We need a boat MOT to remove ordinary old boats, leaving the Classics to be enjoyed and valued.
PhillM
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Hmm I'd like to think that my mab wooden, would pass such a test. But please don't insist she take one.
chinita
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Good heavens!
Andy Seedhouse in Woodbridge is the proprietor of a Classic Boat Boatyard!
Tranona
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If you follow seajet's ramblings here you will discover that even your jaundiced view of the world is not the same as his. His horizons are far more limited than yours to the extent that you only become a "real" sailor if you are exactly like him!
Unfortunately that excludes the vast majority of people who sail!
JumbleDuck
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In the old car world there are, broadly, two definitions of "classic". One is "mass production car remembered with affection and occasionally exasperation by people of middle age". When I started that meant Triumph Herald, Moggy Minors, Austin A30s, Rover P4s, Mk 1 Escorts and so on. The other meaning is "a old car which was hand-built and cost a fortune". The owners of Speed Six Bentleys don;t really see their cars as belonging to the same category as the Hillman Imp.
The big difference, I think, is that the former definition has changed over the years to cover newer cars ... to someone of my age it was bad enough when the Marina became a classic, not to mention the Renault Fuego, but 1990s Vauxhalls now count, to some people. Yeuch.
The latter definition has become more set in stone, and I think it's arguable that no classic car in that sense has been built since the Jaguar E-type. Mind you, that's a bit of a spivvy car to the Frazer-Nash boys. And so it goes on.
The big difference, I think, is that the former definition has changed over the years to cover newer cars ... to someone of my age it was bad enough when the Marina became a classic, not to mention the Renault Fuego, but 1990s Vauxhalls now count, to some people. Yeuch.
The latter definition has become more set in stone, and I think it's arguable that no classic car in that sense has been built since the Jaguar E-type. Mind you, that's a bit of a spivvy car to the Frazer-Nash boys. And so it goes on.
JumbleDuck
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I think personal attacks of this sort are really rather unnecessary.
Seajet
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Tough chum, I have high standards re handling and indeed ownership, if you've only tried one of the boats I listed, I can't be blamed for your inexperience
And yes, I should have mentioned the Contessa 26 & 32, but no such list can be all inclusive.
Resolution
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Tough chum, I have high standards re handling and indeed ownership, if you've only tried one of the boats I listed, I can't be blamed for your inexperience
And yes, I should have mentioned the Contessa 26 & 32, but no such list can be all inclusive.
Now these two I have experienced and would agree they have "classic" characteristics.
Kelpie
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Perhaps another strand to the 'classic' debate/definition is shared experience. When I say my first boat was a Wayfarer, I often get that 'me too!' reaction, followed by stories of daft things we have done in them. Same thing applies to old cars, with tales of all their foibles.
Tranona
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Just a reflection of his ramblings. Quite mild compared with some of his utterings!
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I was actually thinking about the Wayfarer as well, it fits the definitions as well as the perceptions of what a classic is. The fact thatchy are still around beings raced and cruised, still in demand speaks volumes of their classic status.
JumbleDuck
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Absolutely. People particularly remember the cars driving schools used - Heralds in the 60s and Metros in the 80s, for example.
Heavens. Does this mean that one day people with remember Bavarias with affection?
Resolution
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Probably not the Match series......
Just_sayin'
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Oh, wet you mean. You should have said.