Plevier
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OK, yes I can see they are a different design to the smaller ones http://www.harken.com/pdf/4604.5-98.pdf
You're lucky.
When did you last check/service your winches?
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OK, yes I can see they are a different design to the smaller ones http://www.harken.com/pdf/4604.5-98.pdf
You're lucky.
alisdair4
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Info on old winches
Me too! I haven't serviced my winches since I bought the boat 5 years ago. However, given that they are Lewmar 40s from 198?, I am finding difficulty sourcing a service manual or parts. The quote for 2 replacements (Lewmar 40 STs) came in at over 1300 quid, so I must try harder.
Me too! I haven't serviced my winches since I bought the boat 5 years ago. However, given that they are Lewmar 40s from 198?, I am finding difficulty sourcing a service manual or parts. The quote for 2 replacements (Lewmar 40 STs) came in at over 1300 quid, so I must try harder.
Robert Wilson
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Service manual and parts
I went onto Lewmar website, looked up in "contact us", phoned them, asked for their service department and was put through to a man named "Cliff". He couldn't have been more helpful or pleasant - not all condescending which was appreciated by a newcomer to winch matters.
He also sent me by email a full service sheet which has everything you need to know in it.
Parts are a much worse situation. Apart from palls and springs the winches are obsolete (very sad/very expensive). I was SO lucky in that I posted in this forum's "Sale & Wanted" page for any second-hand/spare 40s. I great guy had a pair and I bought them.. Like mine and yours they are old, but not used for the last 20 years. From the photos he sent me they look in servicable condition. Phew, £1300 was/is way out of my funding-ability.
Good luck in your search.
I for one will be checking and servicing VERY regularly and frequently from now on.
If you would like to see photos of my "crunched 40s" let me have you email address and I'll send them. NOT a pretty sight!
I went onto Lewmar website, looked up in "contact us", phoned them, asked for their service department and was put through to a man named "Cliff". He couldn't have been more helpful or pleasant - not all condescending which was appreciated by a newcomer to winch matters.
He also sent me by email a full service sheet which has everything you need to know in it.
Parts are a much worse situation. Apart from palls and springs the winches are obsolete (very sad/very expensive). I was SO lucky in that I posted in this forum's "Sale & Wanted" page for any second-hand/spare 40s. I great guy had a pair and I bought them.. Like mine and yours they are old, but not used for the last 20 years. From the photos he sent me they look in servicable condition. Phew, £1300 was/is way out of my funding-ability.
Good luck in your search.
I for one will be checking and servicing VERY regularly and frequently from now on.
If you would like to see photos of my "crunched 40s" let me have you email address and I'll send them. NOT a pretty sight!
nimbusgb
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Bearings or any other small parts will dive over the side in direct proportion to the importance of the part, the replacement cost and the depth and turbidity of the water and in opposite proportion to the availability of spares!
PS: My winches all have caged needle roller bearings!
PPS: The Delrin balls in my old roller furler were both expensive and almost impossible to source. They were also the same colour as the sand/gravel and dirt that the boat was parked on when all but 1 made a leap for freedom!
Plevier
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I can email you Lewmar's service manual vol 6 covering winches from 6 to 52 and 16ST to 66ST models of mid 1980s if that's what you want? PM me an email address.
charles_reed
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In reponse to the original question, I strip, clean, lubricate and re-assemble my winches about every 3rd year.
Where the mass of ball bearing come from I am at a loss to understand - all my winches, from the x8 Antal to the x36 Harken and Enkes - have cage roller bearings.
Ball bearings are unlikely to be man enough for the job.
As to springs and pawls - though I've had some replacement springs made for the Enkes, none of the pawls or internals are sufficiently worn to require replacement after 22 years.
Pye_End
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My Anderson winches are ball bearing, and have done an excellent job for near 25 years.
Can you explain why you believe them not up to the job - they appear to do a very similar job to ones that are kept.
temptress
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No so sir. I have 8 Harkens all pre 2009 (from 1993 and 2001).
All can be services without removing from the boat. A task I do every 2 years for all. The sheet winches (4) get stripped every year.
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Plevier
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No so sir. I have 8 Harkens all pre 2009 (from 1993 and 2001).
Well my 4 2003 Harkens - 32.2ST and 16ST - do have to be removed from the deck. Check the link I posted. They are very poor products compared with the Lewmars I had on previous boat.
I guess yours are larger sizes, same as little_roundtop's.
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johnalison
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I dismantle mine, sheet and halyard, each year and do a basic wipe round and relubricate. I strip them fully every few years - all for about 2000 miles per year. I once came 4th out of 35 in a winch-strip and re-assemble competition at a regatta.
You scarcely need a manual for Lewmar winches, certainly not my ST43s. Provided you notice what you are doing it is only a matter of taking the top off, removing the two lugs that hold the central spindle in and then taking out as many bits as you want. Virtually nothing can be put back the wrong way, though it helps to note the position of the self-tailer before removal. The only catch for beginners is that you need to slightly raise the central spindle when replacing the lugs, which also helps when removing.
Be sure not to put grease on the pawls, only a drop of oil. If at risk of losing bits, it can help to sit astride the winch on the coaming, facing inboard. Servicing winches is a one-person job! You need to take your time and not have anyone fussing around you.
You scarcely need a manual for Lewmar winches, certainly not my ST43s. Provided you notice what you are doing it is only a matter of taking the top off, removing the two lugs that hold the central spindle in and then taking out as many bits as you want. Virtually nothing can be put back the wrong way, though it helps to note the position of the self-tailer before removal. The only catch for beginners is that you need to slightly raise the central spindle when replacing the lugs, which also helps when removing.
Be sure not to put grease on the pawls, only a drop of oil. If at risk of losing bits, it can help to sit astride the winch on the coaming, facing inboard. Servicing winches is a one-person job! You need to take your time and not have anyone fussing around you.
alisdair4
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Troubadour, PM sent.
alisdair4
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Servicing or replacing old lewmar winches
Thanks for the kind offer - I'm not sure that I want to see the worst that can happen!!
I have emailed Lewmar to see what info they can give, but I suspect that, like you, I will be looking for 2nd hand ones. I presume that a Lewmar 40 is equal in gear ratio to an (eg) Anderson 40?
Thanks for the kind offer - I'm not sure that I want to see the worst that can happen!!
I have emailed Lewmar to see what info they can give, but I suspect that, like you, I will be looking for 2nd hand ones. I presume that a Lewmar 40 is equal in gear ratio to an (eg) Anderson 40?
alahol2
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No excuse for not servicing Lewmar winches
rivonia
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Ours are ANTAL's and are 12 years old. They have never been serviced and are doing OK- at least I think they are. They do make a bit og a grunching noise when under extreme load, which is not too often.
Peter
Peter
Robert Wilson
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Beware - that's how mine started. Then one day starboard winch slipped a "wee bit" under heavy loading. Thought little about it 'til it started slipping more often.
Then during the race port winch went off "bang", changed useage to starboard then shortly afterwards it went "bang" too - very nasty clout on crew's wrist.
I think you should investigate. As said to previous threads, if you wish to see my U/S ones for reference I'll email photos of them to you.