When a boat gets to more than 24 metres what happens .....

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I am not thinking of buying one ( well some of them do look very reasonable but 11,500 litre fuel tanks are a bit of a kill joy!).

I have always wondered what happens when you exceed 24m.

Below 24m is a leisure vessel ( or whatever they call it) above that as I understand is basically a ship.

So I head out and buy a 30m boat ( ship) what licence do i need to skipper it and is there a requirement for a given number of "qualified" crew?

I also believe that anything over 24m is coded for charter by default.

Purely theoretical but I would just like to know!


Jeremy
 
jrudge said:
I am not thinking of buying one ( well some of them do look very reasonable but 11,500 litre fuel tanks are a bit of a kill joy!).

I have always wondered what happens when you exceed 24m.

Below 24m is a leisure vessel ( or whatever they call it) above that as I understand is basically a ship.

So I head out and buy a 30m boat ( ship) what licence do i need to skipper it and is there a requirement for a given number of "qualified" crew?

I also believe that anything over 24m is coded for charter by default.

Purely theoretical but I would just like to know!


Jeremy
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Don't know the detail but believe builders build 24m vessels to be rated <200grt so that you don't need a commercial master's ticket to skipper them.
 
at the time, when I had finished my YM commercial, I made a subscribtion to the next level (500gt iirc)
but I gave the slot to someone else, because he was in urgent need...
it was not much more than a 5day course iirc,

when we were in Porto Montenegro, I was told that it was fairly easy to obtain the tickets for +24m ships,
there with the right amount of $$ ,
if you can proove experience (<24m) might help.
 
Main issue is that manning requirements apply so you will need the specified number of crew when underway. Any additional ticket for the skipper is easy to get if you already know what you're doing and you may not need it if under 200grt. You also need increased hardware levels (like for a coded boat) but that's just money and you'd want most of it anyway.

So the "killer" is manning requirements. That's my reason for intending always to stick under 24m - I don't want to have to carry a bunch of crew that I may not want on every trip

The 24m is LLL not LOA, and there are plenty of 90/95 foot boats that are <24m LLL. The main reasons you can go well above 24m LOA are (a) the intricacies of how you measure the boat and (b) stuck on nose-cones
 
He explained it to me once before and if I can remember (I am getting on a bit), it's the length about 1M above the water excluding a swim platform.
 
I wondered this also because a Sunseeker 86 is just over 26m but rated at <24m, I also think the Sunseeker 95 at 28m is again rated at <24m. :ambivalence:
 
jrudge said:
Lets make it 35 metres
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Now U R talking.
By sheer coincidence, I recently heard of a Baglietto 35 which could be bought for a song (well, relatively speaking).
But if you think that 11.5k litres tanks is scary, how does triple of that sound...? :rolleyes:
 
jfm said:
Main issue is that manning requirements apply so you will need the specified number of crew when underway.
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Yup, I suppose that's the key point.
Btw, in hindsight it's funny that in the pre-CE era, in IT the certifying body (RINA) used to prescribe the crew requirements ("minimum crew number and their respective qualifications") regardless of the boat size.
My old lady for instance required "two persons, of which at least one licensed".
I suppose that is bound to be true also for the original papers of BA... BartW, do you still have a copy of her "Licenza di abilitazione alla navigazione"?
 
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jrudge said:
I am not thinking of buying one ( well some of them do look very reasonable but 11,500 litre fuel tanks are a bit of a kill joy!).

I have always wondered what happens when you exceed 24m.

Below 24m is a leisure vessel ( or whatever they call it) above that as I understand is basically a ship.

So I head out and buy a 30m boat ( ship) what licence do i need to skipper it and is there a requirement for a given number of "qualified" crew?

I also believe that anything over 24m is coded for charter by default.

Purely theoretical but I would just like to know!


Jeremy
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Hi Jeremy!

I believe nearly nothing changes. There are some antifouling systems that can not be used on small boats.

Safe Manning certificates are only required for commercially certified vessels... You could have a 200m barge, and no safe manning requirements, if it was not in commercial use.

24m is below a bunch of paperwork thresholds, where it's as essentially a giant kayak... And above requires record keeping and MARPOL compliance... I think. I used to know more.

If you're a bit serious, I can Google it for you..?
 
Interested_kiwi said:
Hi Jeremy!

I believe nearly nothing changes. There are some antifouling systems that can not be used on small boats.

Safe Manning certificates are only required for commercially certified vessels... You could have a 200m barge, and no safe manning requirements, if it was not in commercial use.

24m is below a bunch of paperwork thresholds, where it's as essentially a giant kayak... And above requires record keeping and MARPOL compliance... I think. I used to know more.

If you're a bit serious, I can Google it for you..?
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Kiwi law may be different (though I wd be surprised) but so far as uk law is concerned you are not correct. With one exception, as soon as you get to 24m LLL you have manning requirements under U.K. law and many others. If the boat is in pleasure use the requirements are lighter than for commercial use but there are still manning requirements (msn1802) and you couldn't "husband and wife" the boat.

The one exception is if the boat is <80 grt but nearly all boats on the market will exceed 80grt if they are 24m LLL. Rules are also tougher if over 3000kw
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