When a boat gets to more than 24 metres what happens .....

MapisM said:
Aha, I see. Apologies for laziness, I didn't read the doc jrudge linked.
Based on PF post #27 I understood that the previous rule for helming boats up 24m (i.e. no requirements/qualifications at all, afaik) was extended to even larger boats.
That chapter 13 makes much more sense than that! :)
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No i think you were right with reference to PF's post as he was talking about French rules where as jrudge's link refers to the UK (MCA) rules.
 
MrB said:
No i think you were right with reference to PF's post as he was talking about French rules where as jrudge's link refers to the UK (MCA) rules.
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Doh! On top of not opening jrudge link, I also missed the fact that PF was replying to Bouba's comment about "Extension Hauturier".
Memo to self: read better before throwing in a comment! :o

PS: on second thought, I might as well give threads about 24+m boats a miss altogether... :rolleyes:
 
jfm said:
Main issue is that manning requirements apply so you will need the specified number of crew when underway. Any additional ticket for the skipper is easy to get if you already know what you're doing and you may not need it if under 200grt. You also need increased hardware levels (like for a coded boat) but that's just money and you'd want most of it anyway.

So the "killer" is manning requirements. That's my reason for intending always to stick under 24m - I don't want to have to carry a bunch of crew that I may not want on every trip

The 24m is LLL not LOA, and there are plenty of 90/95 foot boats that are <24m LLL. The main reasons you can go well above 24m LOA are (a) the intricacies of how you measure the boat and (b) stuck on nose-cones
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Purely for daydreaming reasons:

There may be a way around those manning requirements and the 24 metre rule: Having the yacht registered in a lenient foreign flag state and the owner not being a UK citizen. Surely (I hope) the UK does not overrule another flag states manning rules in UK waters and ports? Of course the yacht would have to be only used for private leisure and no commercial stuff. Exemptions for temporarliy visiting foreign yachts seems to be possible too.

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"The Merchant Shipping Regulations apply to all vessels under the UK flag and vessels in UK waters or operating from UK ports.

Exemptions to the regulations are granted within the legislation; the size of a vessel, the number of passengers it carries on board and how the vessel is used are all factors which determine which of the regulations a vessel must comply with (such as manning requirements or mandatory equipment)"

Seems like it applies to all vessels in UK waters if I understand this correctly, but there might be exemptions.
Perhaps if the hypothetical yacht is built from super light materials so it weighs the same as a typical <24m yacht and the control of the yacht is also designed for single-handed use. I don't know who to ask about what kind of exemptions are given... Maybe a maritime lawyer of some sort?


My dream is to drive about in this without the constraints of an annoying crew:
Just need to become a billionaire first ?
Wally 118
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You mention UK and temporary visiting yachts, what happens when your temporary visit expires?
Where do you take your Wally 118? Can you be sure that other countries will accept the same conditions? Just curiosity......
 
billskip said:
You mention UK and temporary visiting yachts, what happens when your temporary visit expires?
Where do you take your Wally 118? Can you be sure that other countries will accept the same conditions? Just curiosity......
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I am not a UK citizen, so I am speculating a bit from my position. But I would think there would be a way to extend the visit date for various practical reasons . And when the visit expires you would probably have to pay VAT on your yacht as if you had imported it permanently to the UK in addition to hiring crew etc..
I would cross the English Channel and go along the coast to some other country where they don't have such strict regulations/controls on foreign flagged pleasure yachts.

Or I would convert the boat into an amphibious craft and drive onto land and either call it an RV, house or a truck (for legal reasons). ?

Or another possiblitiy in the (hopefully near) future would be to have the yacht be able to sail completely autonomously or remotely by a captain sitting on dry land. Then I could simply give up control to this system whenever the government comes to check my yacht.

Does anyone know what the length limit of nosecones and tailcones is? Seems like this technique could potentially be exaggerated even more if both ends of the yacht have removable cones. 36m yacht below the 24m limit is maybe within reach?
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Edit: Found this quite interesting regarding nosecones and cut-outs and defining Load Line Length with drawings:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ds/attachment_data/file/964371/MGN_on_LLL.pdf

I am sure there are some creative ways to get around this. Perhaps to make the nose/tail-cone function as a lifeboat?! Must be able to detach easily with a lever or something and float upright with all the amenities of a lifeboat.
Or make it foldable by the press of a button for when they measure it.
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I think your reference to nose cones/removable parts has been outdated now.
The still stand for yachts built before 2020? (I think 2020)but any boat built after is subject to the latest regulations not permitting "addons/removables"....
 
billskip said:
I think your reference to nose cones/removable parts has been outdated now.
The still stand for yachts built before 2020? (I think 2020)but any boat built after is subject to the latest regulations not permitting "addons/removables"....
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I wonder how strict they are and if there are different interpretations.
How are Sunseeker able to get their new 100 footer below 24m LLL in 2021?
Sunseeker reveals new 100 Yacht
 
The minimum safe manning rules don't seem to specify the number of crew. So perhaps it is possible for one person to be the engineer, captain and deckhand all in one! Need a lot of certificates, but at least that could be doable.
 
billskip said:
You should also take into account that the swim platforms are huge and make up a lot of extra LoA which has nothing to do with LLL if it is not part of the buoyancy and clear of the water.
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True. But the swim platform only seems to be about 3 meters. Perhaps it is the cutout in the bow section that contributes. Seems like other large yachts also have that cutout in the bow. Riva Corsaro 100, ferretti etc.
 
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