What Now skipper - A question of seamanship

[ninky]

was in the ionian recently when a big flashy bav came and anchored too close to not only a previously moored jag 27 but also the entrance to the little harbour and it's wall. they then proceeded to deploy a kedge as well. the jag moved to raft up with the rest of us.

 

[Genoa]

There's no room there for bahamian tactics or any other with kedges - it only adds to the situation ... it's all do bahamian / kedges or none at all. Just one boat swinging or failing and it's BANG.

I disagree it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Given that you are out of range of the boats behind, when they swing becuase you have moved closer to the moorings, and with the motorsailer fore 'n' aft, you won't reach him, and the moored boats will also be out of range. My ONLY concern (other than other boats ground tackle) is the shore line, and in my boat given the colours on the chart, I'm probably alright with that too! - In fact, on a recent Bahamian moor my kedge was in the shore ...

 

[luff'em]

Sanguine (continued)

One other thing to add to my previous post that's just occured to me and another reason for the skipper of the red boat to be sanguine at the change made by the motor boat.. When anchoring it's the job of the skipper to assess the situation, the lie of other boats, what will happen when the tide turns, wind changes etc.. One glance at the motor boat would have identified that he was in a spot of bother and was either going to have to leave, put out a kedge, or swing into the moored boats. It's a fair bet that if this is the end of the day then the motor boat is intending to settle for the night and so is likely to set a kedge (or a Bahamian moor) to avoid a coming together.

Although none of this is really the business of our intrepid red boat skipper he would do well to assess the likely outcome of his decision to moor where he intends, before he does so.

 

[Rum_Pirate]

First recheck the chart as there is no Saltstone or Frogmore Creek in the Salcombe Estuary.
Therefore he will then realise that he is clearly in the wrong place.

Anchor up. Let wife be skipper; (having just passed her YM) as she was fixing dinner in the galley while he was downing the drinks; and motor to where he really wants to be.

 

[binch]

anchor priorities

We have anchored a lot. We prefer it. But there are some places where there is little room and too many sunsail boats.
If yoy leave yourself enough room an Italian is bound to move into the space.
If you use what our generation called a battleship moor (i.e. two bower anchors and a swivel, now pparently called Bahamian) about 75% of other boats will not know what to do.
Head and stern anchors are excellent ina tideway and light winds, but about 40% of other boats will not know what to do.
Me? I have a good steel boat. Let 'em all come.
The worst places for anchorung close are Islas santa Margharita (near Cannes), close to Eleni's nice taverna in Vlikho, and Admiralty Bay in Bequia. And the main problem is the self-drive charter boat

 

[VO5]

Another solution. Launch the dinghy. Go up to each of the other boats one by one. Get concensus ageement or disagreement re going Bahamian. If all agree to go Bahamian, do so. If not, then six dinghies to pay a visit to offending mooring boor. (Cutlasses Optional).

 

[Cliveshep]

If the red boat is not going to swing as he's laid out a kedge I'd up anchor, move up abeam but not rafted, lay out main anchor parallel to the red boat and lay out a kedge aft. That way the boats behind can spin like tops if they like but the two of us at the front will not swing and will not also risk collision with any other boats as tide turns.

 

[VO5]

I forgot to add, the offending boat ought to be made to shift ship upstream to at least four ships lengths so as not to upset the whole fleet astern of him.
It is not unusual to encounter thoughtless and inconsiderate people like this. You see it ashore, 4 X 4s badly parked obstructing everything and everyone.

 

[ninky]

The worst places for anchorung close are Islas santa Margharita (near Cannes), close to Eleni's nice taverna in Vlikho, and Admiralty Bay in Bequia. And the main problem is the self-drive charter boat

close to Elini's nice taverena in Vlikho was my first time anchoring as a skipper and i think we had three attempts.....absolutely magical place though and a brilliant meal so it was worth it.

 

[VO5]

If the red boat is not going to swing as he's laid out a kedge I'd up anchor, move up abeam but not rafted, lay out main anchor parallel to the red boat and lay out a kedge aft. That way the boats behind can spin like tops if they like but the two of us at the front will not swing and will not also risk collision with any other boats as tide turns.

Ah !

I have just thought of it...

After getting a general concensus not to have to go Bahamian....get the harbourmaster to come out in his launch to sort out the offending motorboat.

(Cutlasses at the ready but not in sight of..)

 

[VO5]

We have anchored a lot. We prefer it. But there are some places where there is little room and too many sunsail boats.
If yoy leave yourself enough room an Italian is bound to move into the space.
If you use what our generation called a battleship moor (i.e. two bower anchors and a swivel, now pparently called Bahamian) about 75% of other boats will not know what to do.
Head and stern anchors are excellent ina tideway and light winds, but about 40% of other boats will not know what to do.
Me? I have a good steel boat. Let 'em all come.
The worst places for anchorung close are Islas santa Margharita (near Cannes), close to Eleni's nice taverna in Vlikho, and Admiralty Bay in Bequia. And the main problem is the self-drive charter boat

Additionally charter boats are a pain because habitually they do not let out enough scope when laying an anchor. Also they do not ensure the anchor itself is holding before partying or going ashore, leaving the neighbouring boats to deal with the problem of their making. All it takes is a shift of wind and you've got a problem. Then they return much later.....drunk....Oh dear !

 

[Poignard]

One glance at the motor boat would have identified that he was in a spot of bother and was either going to have to leave, put out a kedge, or swing into the moored boats. I

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Excuse me asking, and I'm probably being even more dense than usual this evening, but how would the inexperienced man in the red boat be able, at "one glance", to know where the motor-sailer was going to end up when the tide turned. I mean, wouldn't he need to know where its anchor was? And as there is no-one on board the motor-sailer to tell him ..........

 

[SimbaDog]

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Excuse me asking, and I'm probably being even more dense than usual this evening, but how would the inexperienced man in the red boat be able, at "one glance", to know where the motor-sailer was going to end up when the tide turned. I mean, wouldn't he need to know where its anchor was? And as there is no-one on board the motor-sailer to tell him ..........

Could he not look at the plan at the start of this thread or indeed in the next YM?

OK, I'll get me coat

 

[drawkins]

he couldn't do that as it hadn't happened yet

 

[Cliveshep]

You see it ashore, 4 X 4s badly parked obstructing everything and everyone.

Yeah, 'cos I'm bigger than you so keep out of my way or I'll leave tyre tracks all over the roof of your Beamer!

Colregs, see?

 

[graham]

If the red boat is not going to swing as he's laid out a kedge I'd up anchor, move up abeam but not rafted, lay out main anchor parallel to the red boat and lay out a kedge aft. That way the boats behind can spin like tops if they like but the two of us at the front will not swing and will not also risk collision with any other boats as tide turns.

Great minds think alike ,seems the obvious answer to me.Posted it about 15 replies earlier

 

[TamarMike]

One other thing to add to my previous post that's just occured to me and another reason for the skipper of the red boat to be sanguine at the change made by the motor boat.. When anchoring it's the job of the skipper to assess the situation, the lie of other boats, what will happen when the tide turns, wind changes etc.. One glance at the motor boat would have identified that he was in a spot of bother and was either going to have to leave, put out a kedge, or swing into the moored boats. It's a fair bet that if this is the end of the day then the motor boat is intending to settle for the night and so is likely to set a kedge (or a Bahamian moor) to avoid a coming together.

Although none of this is really the business of our intrepid red boat skipper he would do well to assess the likely outcome of his decision to moor where he intends, before he does so.

When arriving I would assume the other boat was likely to leave or move and re-anchor. Otherwise why on earth did the motorsailer anchor so close to to the moorings in the first place?

 

[Twister_Ken]

"The worst places for anchorung close are Islas santa Margharita "

This is one of the two islands hat make up the Iles Lerins off of Cannes. The strait between the islands is often so full of anchored boats that you feel you could walk from one island to the next without getting your feet wet!

 

[VO5]

Yeah, 'cos I'm bigger than you so keep out of my way or I'll leave tyre tracks all over the roof of your Beamer!

Colregs, see?

Yes exactly....

But you can't, see.......because I could see what you can't see......that is why 18 months ago in the nick of time we cleared off out of the UK to live in the Med...do you now see or not see ?....

 

[sighmoon]

First thing would be to chat to the motorsailer; it's easy enough to do without being confrontational. Something along the lines of "We haven't got a kedge out; do you think we'll be OK or do we need to move in case we swing into you when the tide turns?" Perhaps he has some clever plan you haven't thought of (though I can't see it in this case).

If he seems like a nice guy, best solution is to raft up though - that removes the risk of dinghies cheating the tide trying to squeeze between you and taking some of your paint with them.