What Now skipper - A question of seamanship

Well, I think the motorsailor is acting in an irresponsible and inconsiderate way. However after clarifying what his intentions were I'd bog off elsewhere cos I would'nt want to run the the risk of being anchored next to such a plonker and life's too short to get involved in an acrimonious exchange
 
jimi said:
Well, I think the motorsailor is acting in an irresponsible and inconsiderate way. However after clarifying what his intentions were I'd bog off elsewhere cos I would'nt want to run the the risk of being anchored next to such a plonker and life's too short to get involved in an acrimonious exchange
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Your forgetting, red boat is well into aperitifs, he's poo faced, he cant move a boat!
 
On coming up why didn't the red boat notice that the motorsailer would not be able to swing because of the moorings and would therefore have to modify his anchoring arrangements meaning that there was no real space for the red boat.
 
drawkins said:
On coming up why didn't the red boat notice that the motorsailer would not be able to swing because of the moorings and would therefore have to modify his anchoring arrangements meaning that there was no real space for the red boat.
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Good point, but dont you mean, "why didn't the motorsailer notice he was going to create a problem when he anchored"?
 
In cases where an anchorage is overcrowded, or even where he wishes the sole other occupant to leave a favorite bolthole, the prudent Yachtsman plugs his ipod into the stereo and allows Messers Plant, Page, Jones & Bonham to work their magic.
 
toad_oftoadhall said:
In cases where an anchorage is overcrowded, or even where he wishes the sole other occupant to leave a favorite bolthole, the prudent Yachtsman plugs his ipod into the stereo and allows Messers Plant, Page, Jones & Bonham to work their magic.
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We had a great night in Portmagee in Ireland, came back from the pub and found we were the only yacht around....On went the laptop with a Led Zep DVD, and ran the audio through the boats stereo. :D It was blowing a hooley so we cranked the stereo up and sat in the cockpit with a few more beers until the early hours.
 
http://www.salcombeyc.org.uk/res/user/302_racing-marks-map.doc

I doubt whether keeping to the side - as directed by the "lad" - would really make any difference to the racing fleet; they'll be hugging one side or another to avoid the tide in their upstream leg, and if the most advantageous route is through the anchorage, that's where they'll go. (And if it isn't, some will try it anyway.)

And as you can see from the link, one of the racing marks is just north of the anchorage in any case. Whether the race officer decides to use it for the morning or afternoon courses depends on the wind conditions of the day, not on how busy the anchorage is (which tends to be for overnighters only anyway). And I doubt the "lad" knows what's likely to be in store.

So my advice would be to re-anchor, further out in the fairway (avoiding the shallow bits out there). No real reason why the boats in the anchorage need to be in line astern - which is what's caused the original problem.

As an aside, 50 boats racing isn't the most you'd expect in Salcombe, during SYC regatta week this year there were about 100 every morning and 150 in the afternoon.
 
It doesn't seem a very desirable anchorage anyway - too far from the nearest pub :(

Therefore presumably he is unlikely to be going ashore, unless he needs to exercise a dog or something, so just rig plenty of fenders and see where everyone ends up when the tide turns then move a little if necessary.
 
Something is going to have to be done. Perhaps the simplist option is to get out the kedge and re anchor alongside and inside the Mobo. You can drop the kedge on the way up and then don't need to mess about with the dinghy. 10 minute job. Give the Mobo captain a cherrie wave and smile when anchored and he will realise without you having to say anything that as a result of his actions you have had to move. This will inevitably cause him great embarrasment and lead him to offer you a drink onboard where you will find good wine and conversation and you and your wife will have a very pleasant evening.
 
Firstly the guy was nuts to go into Salcombe in the first place.

Secondly you could argue that since the motorsailer was there first so even though he added a second anchor which created the situation he was the still the first arrival, ergo tough but Pam & Joe need to move.

Thirdly why create unecessary stress for yourself? You can already see a potential problem and somebody will have to move so just go ahead and do it, then you can relax. If necessary call the HM and tell him to earn his keep and find you another spot?
 
Sangiune

I'm with the sanguine flotilla here. Life's too short to be getting upset about who moored first, did the motor boat moor inappropriately, did they then change their configuration and put themselves at the bottom of the pecking order etc.

I'd not bother with the bahamian moor as I'd still have a sleepless night wondering what everyone else's swinging radius was and waiting for the "clunk".

The Red boat has two choices as I see it. Either move up alongside the Motor boat and moor fore and aft the same as them, if there's enough water inshore of them (with the potential, as mentioned elsewhere, for a few drinks and chat to be had), or simply move to the other side of the creek and re-anchor and enjoy a pleasant evening in Salcombe. After all, you're sitting on a yacht at anchor in a beautiful setting.. Life could be a lot worse.
 
Best option would be to sod off to Dartmouth.
In places like Salcombe, there is often only hassle to be had from anchoring. Much better to pay for a mooring and have the peace of mind that you can have a beer or two and not have to move at 2AM.

Anchoring works much better where there is more space, i.e outside the main harbours in fair weather.
 
Quite agree with luff'em with the added option, and knowing my ground tackle, of suggesting they come alongside us for the night and all swing merrily away on my anchor. If the mobo is too big and heavy then suggest/ask to do the opposite, i.e. you go alongside them.
 
jimi said:
Well, I think the motorsailor is acting in an irresponsible and inconsiderate way. However after clarifying what his intentions were I'd bog off elsewhere cos I would'nt want to run the the risk of being anchored next to such a plonker and life's too short to get involved in an acrimonious exchange
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I don't believe it - I'm in agreement with Jimi again !

IMHO - the boat ahead is acting in a way that is unfair and liable to cause serious consequences ... so if he doesn't agree after a chat to sort in another manner - then I'd up anchor and clear away from him sharpish ...

There's no room there for bahamian tactics or any other with kedges - it only adds to the situation ... it's all do bahamian / kedges or none at all. Just one boat swinging or failing and it's BANG.
 
If the weather is quiet why not move up abeam of the motorsailer and anchor fore and aft? If both boats are moored fore and aft they cant swing in to each other.
 
suggest rafting with the mobo? strange bedfellows true but if you deploy anchors from both vessels you've both got a more secure anchoring. they might be more inclined if you point out to them that having deployed their kedge you are now in swinging distance of their pride and joy....

should we assume there's a reason why you couldn't anchor aft of the boat currently at the back of the pack?
 
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