Babylon
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A non-sailing friend went to Poole yesterday, sent me this photo.
Anyone know what it is?
Anyone know what it is?
What is this ketch?
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Boathook
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Certainly not a Fisher as the wheel house screen slopes the wrong direction. I would like to say Colvic? of some sort.
Solwaycruiser
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Looks like a Banjer motor sailor to me. From 60s/ 70s .
Edit - Just looked on Yachtworld and sure it is, 37 feet, early 70s, 2 for sale in UK just now. Very pretty IMO
Tradewinds
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Babylon
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Stemar
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Looks like my kind of boat - sailing in the dry!
Unfortunately, not my kind of price. apart, possibly, from one in Croatia. I presume the sensible way to bring a boat back from there would be round to Sete or thereabouts and up through the canals, but I rather think that's going to stay a dream!
Unfortunately, not my kind of price. apart, possibly, from one in Croatia. I presume the sensible way to bring a boat back from there would be round to Sete or thereabouts and up through the canals, but I rather think that's going to stay a dream!
Sharky34
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£10,000 higher in price, which is quite a lump.
pvb
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And it's 50 years old.
Babylon
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Younger than me then! ?
Little Dorrit
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I must admit to having a bit of a soft spot for motor sailors. I can now add this to my list future purchase list which includes Fisher, Colvic Watson
jac
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Me too.
And Ketches - especially those that are cutter headed like this one - Think they really need to be little big bigger to mitigate that slightky boxy look you can get but get up 41-42 feet and i think they are stunning. Wrong for my sort of sailing - maybe when i retire!!!
Greenheart
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I've been planning since 1985 to get a heavy wheelhouse yacht at some future point. Still planning.
They must be the most versatile of all boats. Winter, summer, mud berth or mid-ocean, sail in the sun or smile in the rain.
And by the time I have the budget for a 1976 Fisher 25, diesel won't be available, so I'll ballast her with lithium-ion cells.
They must be the most versatile of all boats. Winter, summer, mud berth or mid-ocean, sail in the sun or smile in the rain.
And by the time I have the budget for a 1976 Fisher 25, diesel won't be available, so I'll ballast her with lithium-ion cells.
Sharky34
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Some mates are selling a Freeward 25 near Lymington, they have bought another boat, so have one surplus, if your interested.I've been planning since 1985 to get a heavy wheelhouse yacht at some future point. Still planning.
They must be the most versatile of all boats. Winter, summer, mud berth or mid-ocean, sail in the sun or smile in the rain.
And by the time I have the budget for a 1976 Fisher 25, diesel won't be available, so I'll ballast her with lithium-ion cells.
Greenheart
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Thank you for telling me Sharky. But aside from the Freeward's redoubtable toughness and seaworthiness (and prettiness), the design always struck me as having the downsides of the same size Fisher, without the big advantage. I've even seen Freewards with a variety of home-made windscreens and wheelhouses...anything for the appeal of that inside helm in crappy weather.
Poignard
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There is a certain minimum length of boat below which a wheelhouse begins to look out of proportion and I reckon the boat shown in post #1 is about it.
Greenheart
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The Banjer has very tall upright windscreens, but I bet they're vastly better to steer behind in dirty weather, than any of the sleek deck-saloon designs like the Moody Eclipse or Southerlys. Even the upright old-style Nauticat wheelhouses gave way to more aerodynamic designs which reduce height and visibility from inside. Most owners of such yachts I've read on the forum, said they rarely used the inside helm.
I think the Banjer's shallow keel puts her substantially on the motor side of motor-sailor, although I heard a variety of sail areas is possible. But if you think of the regrettably high proportion of total miles logged under power by the average 'sailing' yacht owner, it makes plenty of sense to design the boat to allow that period of travelling time in her to be a genuine pleasure - weatherproof, brisk and stress-free.
Motor-sailer owners are usually keen to say how well their boat sails upwind, but true or not, that really misses the point. A motor-sailer can make good use of a beam or tailwind, but if the wind's on the nose and the going is hard, why fight it? Furl, turn the key and get where you're going, early, comfortably and dry, like any displacement motor-boat owner would. I want one.
I think the Banjer's shallow keel puts her substantially on the motor side of motor-sailor, although I heard a variety of sail areas is possible. But if you think of the regrettably high proportion of total miles logged under power by the average 'sailing' yacht owner, it makes plenty of sense to design the boat to allow that period of travelling time in her to be a genuine pleasure - weatherproof, brisk and stress-free.
Motor-sailer owners are usually keen to say how well their boat sails upwind, but true or not, that really misses the point. A motor-sailer can make good use of a beam or tailwind, but if the wind's on the nose and the going is hard, why fight it? Furl, turn the key and get where you're going, early, comfortably and dry, like any displacement motor-boat owner would. I want one.
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Sharky34
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What is the current market price for a Freeward 25, any idea?Thank you for telling me Sharky. But aside from the Freeward's redoubtable toughness and seaworthiness (and prettiness), the design always struck me as having the downsides of the same size Fisher, without the big advantage. I've even seen Freewards with a variety of home-made windscreens and wheelhouses...anything for the appeal of that inside helm in crappy weather.
Greenheart
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I've seen several, slightly above or below the £10,000 mark in recent years. That's asking price, of course. I can also see somebody looking for more like £17,000 for a Freeward at the moment.
I guess a really pristine example, well equipped with decent kit in perfect order like a diesel heater and genoa-furler, recent sails and critically, a recently-replaced or assiduously maintained diesel engine, might fetch that much. It sounds very optimistic though.
It's interesting to note that the Fisher 25, which is so similar in so many regards, is rarely to be seen for sale at less than £20,000.
Similarly, the price difference between Westerly's excellent standard 1980s Konsort 29, versus the high-top deck-saloon version built on the same hull, is pretty close to double, in favour of the motorsailor.
True, boats with inside helms are costlier when new, but I'm sure they lose less value as they age, than open-cockpit versions.
I guess a really pristine example, well equipped with decent kit in perfect order like a diesel heater and genoa-furler, recent sails and critically, a recently-replaced or assiduously maintained diesel engine, might fetch that much. It sounds very optimistic though.
It's interesting to note that the Fisher 25, which is so similar in so many regards, is rarely to be seen for sale at less than £20,000.
Similarly, the price difference between Westerly's excellent standard 1980s Konsort 29, versus the high-top deck-saloon version built on the same hull, is pretty close to double, in favour of the motorsailor.
True, boats with inside helms are costlier when new, but I'm sure they lose less value as they age, than open-cockpit versions.
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