ccscott49
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Re: Water Gypsies
Dont be a prat, please!
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Dont be a prat, please!
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what is the definition of a live aboard
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AndrewB
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Re: Water Gypsies
Well I did say I'd offer to share a beer -- making sure the glass is signed for and sterilised afterwards, naturally. That is if they know how to use a glass.
You say you're one, Bambola? Some of my best friends are ... excuse me while I go and lock up my virtual deck gear.
;-)
Well I did say I'd offer to share a beer -- making sure the glass is signed for and sterilised afterwards, naturally. That is if they know how to use a glass.
You say you're one, Bambola? Some of my best friends are ... excuse me while I go and lock up my virtual deck gear.
;-)
chrisb
New member
a romantic adventurer,a water gypsy,an aquatic householder,a fun to be with rogue. still a long way from a definition .no concensus as yet
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hlb
RIP
Re: Water Gypsies
I've come across some fairly undesirable raggies in my time.
Heres one for a start.
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Haydn
I've come across some fairly undesirable raggies in my time.
Heres one for a start.
<hr width=100% size=1> No one can force me to come here. I'm a volunteer!!.
Haydn
deborahann
New member
Re: Derogation is
well yes on the canals water gypsy in my experience describes a "beat the system" boater. oh, & im sorry didn't make it at all plain, the heads popping out of the boat we hit was a water gypsy boat (as i would describe it boat) & not a live aboard.
fully understand that this term means different things to different types of boater, water gypsies or whatever you want to call them are a BIG problem on the canals. anyway pleased to hear they are considered "romantic boaters" by other boating types. Nothing whatsoever against live aboards, might well become one!
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Nothing to do with Mucky Farter or hlb in drag
well yes on the canals water gypsy in my experience describes a "beat the system" boater. oh, & im sorry didn't make it at all plain, the heads popping out of the boat we hit was a water gypsy boat (as i would describe it boat) & not a live aboard.
fully understand that this term means different things to different types of boater, water gypsies or whatever you want to call them are a BIG problem on the canals. anyway pleased to hear they are considered "romantic boaters" by other boating types. Nothing whatsoever against live aboards, might well become one!
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Nothing to do with Mucky Farter or hlb in drag
ccscott49
Active member
Re: Water Gypsies
Thats it you git! I wont let you bring me anymore black puddings!
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Thats it you git! I wont let you bring me anymore black puddings!
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ccscott49
Active member
Opinions is all you will get here, make your own mind up.
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robind
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Thanks for all your opinions, Perhaps there are two kinds (similar) as with the Romany and tinker sorts, shore side. Gypsies (romany sort) being the OK sort and pykies/Tinkers (with all the scams) the undesirable ones? sort of honorable and dishonorable types.
Kind regards
Rob
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Kind regards
Rob
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trouville
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On the subject of liveaboards, where dose a liveaboard live?? I give my email address In Italy one very conservative port insisted i gave an address and another in France wouldent take a reservation (paid in advance) without a contact address!!
In reality my address is the nearest capitanerie either as im staying in their port or anchored near by and they accept my mail--But what do all the "over 50s" brits i meet who get their old age pension and are crusing having sold their house i often wonder what they use for an address???
Thinking of it i know someone who must be in his 70s and still doing odd jobs to get by perhaps the DHS dosent sent him his pension after all????
What do other livaboards do for an address????
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In reality my address is the nearest capitanerie either as im staying in their port or anchored near by and they accept my mail--But what do all the "over 50s" brits i meet who get their old age pension and are crusing having sold their house i often wonder what they use for an address???
Thinking of it i know someone who must be in his 70s and still doing odd jobs to get by perhaps the DHS dosent sent him his pension after all????
What do other livaboards do for an address????
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ccscott49
Active member
I have a friend in the UK who gets my mail, then sends it on to me, when I'm n one place long enough!! There are a couple of proffesional outfits, that get your mail and forward it for you, also source spares, charts etc. But you do need somebody reliable and not likely to move for a while!
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trouville
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Thats it. I used to have a mailing address in london but that cost £120 PA plus charges. Not bad if you get losts of mail but in the end i reconed £20 per letter!!!
Are there any less costly mail services i wonder. The London address was is very proffesional a great service but one has to need it and most thing now go by email or to the capitanerie.
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Are there any less costly mail services i wonder. The London address was is very proffesional a great service but one has to need it and most thing now go by email or to the capitanerie.
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charles_reed
Active member
Most seem to use
a relative or a close friend as their UK address and have their mail batch-forwarded to pre-arranged stopovers.
It's only in France, I believe, that you can use a boat as an official registered address and then you have to pay local taxes.
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a relative or a close friend as their UK address and have their mail batch-forwarded to pre-arranged stopovers.
It's only in France, I believe, that you can use a boat as an official registered address and then you have to pay local taxes.
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Danthegorrila
New member
You must have an address on the back of your boat registration ( assuming its UK registered) It is expected that you live there, we have had problems when giving an address that was different.
Solve the problem by changing the registered address to that of family in the UK where we live when back there.
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Solve the problem by changing the registered address to that of family in the UK where we live when back there.
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charles_reed
Active member
Pear-shaped
and superbly designed for areas of high wind velocity - look at those well-rounded, wind-cheating curves and the ballast low down.
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and superbly designed for areas of high wind velocity - look at those well-rounded, wind-cheating curves and the ballast low down.
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Danthegorrila
New member
Lets throw in another aspect.
To me, like most answers liveaboards are people who live on their boat and do not have another full time place to live, eg the house is sold or let. They also cruise or travel around at least in the summer months.
What are people who live aboard but do not ever move, they use the boat as an appartment staying in a marina for years at a time? Would you call some one in a house boat on the Thames a live aboard?
That does not meet my definition of a live aboard, but they do live on boats????
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To me, like most answers liveaboards are people who live on their boat and do not have another full time place to live, eg the house is sold or let. They also cruise or travel around at least in the summer months.
What are people who live aboard but do not ever move, they use the boat as an appartment staying in a marina for years at a time? Would you call some one in a house boat on the Thames a live aboard?
That does not meet my definition of a live aboard, but they do live on boats????
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ccscott49
Active member
Re: Pear-shaped
Paybacks can be hell!
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Paybacks can be hell!
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ccscott49
Active member
Get your point, again as far as I'm concerned, they are not "liveaboards" They have just moved house, from one "house" to another. How about somebody who lives on a barge tied up to the shore and unable to move? They are also not "liveaboards"
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redhot
New member
Re: Yes
I live on my narrowboat with my wife and 7 year old daughter.
Reading these posts it would seem that I am classed as a water gypsy because, despite all my effort, I cannot get a residential mooring. I pay my licence for the boat, it is insured, and even has a safety certificate..wow, we are clean and tidy, I even wear a suit to work
I asked the local council that appreciate there are 30 livaboard boats in the area, but are only putting 2 residential moorings in, what am I supposed to do...They didn't answer.
I try to move as much as possible, but I must admit, it is all to-ing and fro-ing, but if I want to live on a boat and can't get a residential mooring, what can I do? I could live unofficially in a marina I suppose, but then, a boat that stays in a marina, may as well be a mobile home? I like to be out on the river..
So, to sum up.. am I a river gypsy or a live aboard?
Thanks
Mike
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I live on my narrowboat with my wife and 7 year old daughter.
Reading these posts it would seem that I am classed as a water gypsy because, despite all my effort, I cannot get a residential mooring. I pay my licence for the boat, it is insured, and even has a safety certificate..wow, we are clean and tidy, I even wear a suit to work
I asked the local council that appreciate there are 30 livaboard boats in the area, but are only putting 2 residential moorings in, what am I supposed to do...They didn't answer.
I try to move as much as possible, but I must admit, it is all to-ing and fro-ing, but if I want to live on a boat and can't get a residential mooring, what can I do? I could live unofficially in a marina I suppose, but then, a boat that stays in a marina, may as well be a mobile home? I like to be out on the river..
So, to sum up.. am I a river gypsy or a live aboard?
Thanks
Mike
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ccscott49
Active member
Re: Yes
You have a licence, you pay your way, your a liveaboard! Just because the idiots dont have enough moorings, isnt your fault, but you can see their point , more permanent moorings, less room for cruising boats. If theres room for all, why not put more residential moorings in. But I think they want to discourage liveaboards, for whatever reason, maybe they are worried about water gippos! or is that hippos?
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You have a licence, you pay your way, your a liveaboard! Just because the idiots dont have enough moorings, isnt your fault, but you can see their point , more permanent moorings, less room for cruising boats. If theres room for all, why not put more residential moorings in. But I think they want to discourage liveaboards, for whatever reason, maybe they are worried about water gippos! or is that hippos?
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robind
New member
Re: Yes
Wasnt two Jags going to allow more building in "grey belt" areas. I notice many ponds adjacent to the river thames that appear to do nothing and are close enough for cheap access, couldn`t he allow a "cut" to be dug into them and in doing so provide enough berths for at least a thousand narrowboats. it would be a lot cheaper (housing wise) and give "homes" to many currently mobile "Water gypsies" he could even fund a small national heritage museum/centre of the water boat man over the years. and that would bring in revenue to the local council along with the mooring fee?
Just a thought! who do we lobby?
Rob
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Wasnt two Jags going to allow more building in "grey belt" areas. I notice many ponds adjacent to the river thames that appear to do nothing and are close enough for cheap access, couldn`t he allow a "cut" to be dug into them and in doing so provide enough berths for at least a thousand narrowboats. it would be a lot cheaper (housing wise) and give "homes" to many currently mobile "Water gypsies" he could even fund a small national heritage museum/centre of the water boat man over the years. and that would bring in revenue to the local council along with the mooring fee?
Just a thought! who do we lobby?
Rob
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