What is a trawler yacht?

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Zing said:
Another model they did, which also didn't deserve the chop is the 57. It's more than a little like your boat, but doesn't hope to qualify as a trawler unless you get the version with the windows sloping forwards.
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I must agree and disagree with that.
Yes, the 57 was a nice model which I did like, mostly because of its lower profile - which implies that you don't have to go up and down all the time inside, as you have to in most of the latest generation Nordhavns.
But nope, she wasn't anywhere near Fleming hulls in terms of construction, and actually much more inspired to the N62, with her full displacement bulbous bow, which was used in all the different N57 versions, regardless of whether with flybridge or not, and with reverse raked windshield or not.
 
BruceK said:
Irish rover did. post 52.
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I've seen them, but those aren't boat meant for trawling, I'm afraid.
I refrained from commenting about them because I think that going into commercial fishing boat design is way o/t, but trust me, also with commercial fishing boats there are huge differences, depending on the type of job the boats are meant for.
No fisherman on earth would call those boat trawlers, because ...ermm, quite simply, they aren't.
 
Yes. And those very same fishermen would also probably be hard pressed not to be impolite when you show them "our" version of the trawler.

Their idea is a long way off from anything we as a consensus aspire to


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I’ve seen fishing cats, on the beach at Dungeness if I recall. However not every boat that gathers sea food trawls a net. Some use crab pots or long lines etc. I suspect that trawler, as we know the term, probably originated with Grand Banks. But happy to stand corrected
 
BruceK said:
Their idea is a long way off from anything we as a consensus aspire to
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I'm struggling to see what your real point is, BK.
You asked for an "authoritative definition" for the term trawler, and (without even remotely pretending to be an authoritative source myself) I just made a cut and paste taken from an EN dictionary.
You asked why that can't be applied to a power cat, and I observed that there isn't such thing on this planet as a commercial trawler with anything else than a full displacement monohull.
You said that the examples posted by Irish Rover proved the opposite, but they didn't, because fishing boats can also be designed for something else than trawling - which is in fact the case of those examples.
Now you say that the trawlers which we as pleasure boaters "aspire to" are different from what a trawler really is.
Talk about shifting the goalposts... :ambivalence:

It seems to me that you bought the marketing idea that "trawler=proper boat", and you are then trying to adapt the term to suit it to your preferred type of boat.
You would do yourself a favour by accepting the fact that most if not all pleasure boats are NOT trawlers, regardless of any label that the builders attach to them.
BUT, there's absolutely nothing wrong with boats which are NOT trawlers - particularly when meant for pleasure cruising.

Flemings and GBs are great boats (and one of them would be my preferred choice, if it weren't for their silly prices).
Nordic Tugs also are, as well as some power catamarans.
Many of the planing boats owned by fellow forumites are also beautiful vessels.
But none of them is even remotely similar to what the dictionary (not myself) defines as a trawler, and just a quick look at their hulls is more than enough to understand that.

Now, are any of these boats inferior, just because calling them trawlers is a semantic mistake?
I don't think so, and I'd be happier to own for instance a Fleming than a Nordhavn, even if the term trawler fits the latter much better than the first...
 
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Bouba said:
What makes a trawler is not range, as any boat at displacement and a lazaret full of jerrycans can cross a sea. It’s not ride, as pointed out before in some conditions a planer with fins is a better ride and sometimes you want a cat other times you don’t.
It’s room, the maximum room you can stuff into and on top of a hull with just enough styling so it doesn’t look like a houseboat
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Hmmm ... and Stability just as the manufacturer planned, good luck with Jerry pots! (yes, I know this happened, but only a nice weather window) That's why Trawler Boats big tanks for fuel, so the skipper would not make stupid things.

NBs
 
Piers said:
Maybe we should post the question on their forum and see what happens....Oops, I've just done it!
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Hi,

Yes this issue has been discussed there (Trawler forum) extensively and there will be no answer like no here, other eternity topics what the right anchor. Why should I get the right answer, it's nice to read different thoughts and in between to have something to think about ...

NBs
 
Actually, because our thread title is ‘trawler yacht’, the Trawler Forum is debating ‘yacht’ definitions
 
“Trawler Yacht “ to me seems like a mindless ,although widely accepted marketing term that covers an ever growing genre of leisure boats .
I,am thinking in car terms - estate car - shooting break , station wagon , or in BMW speak GT etc .
How many owners go shooting in it or run round the “ estate “ etc ——- er none to be precise .

I don,t connect with any link to asperity or superiority with those family versions or in the context of this thread “ trawler yachts “
Indeed range toppers in the car world are often the least practical,highest performing versions ,but cost more for effectively less ! - Is that the same in the boat world , strange if different ?

With leisure boats due to the cost of fuel I guess in some ways running a “trawler “ cum house boat cum floating caravan sends a different msg out to running one of these between a villa on the St Tropez peninsula and another villa on Costa Esmeralda- I know which set up I would rarther have and no prizes for guessing
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So for me a “trawler Yacht “ screams fuel poverty in the Med
 
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Hi,

The idea of ​​the second corner is why many manufacturers in the EU have begun to call their own products at best with planig hull boats "Trawler" "eco Trawler" and others.

Why is it sexy to be a "Trawler"?

NBS
 
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MapisM said:
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Talk about shifting the goalposts... :ambivalence:

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You would do yourself a favour by accepting the fact that most if not all pleasure boats are NOT trawlers, regardless of any label that the builders attach to them.


....calling them trawlers is a semantic mistake?
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No Mapism. Actually you and I are in full accordance. I did not ask for an authoritative definition I said watch out for the fall out when one volunteers to be one.

I agree no leisure boat manufacturers actually make trawlers. QED. End of. What you have as in the photo is a small trawler waiting for conversion. I think in that instance you could hand on heart, once complete say trawler yacht.
It is semantics, someone else said the term explorer may be better. I agree. But until then AFAIC the term trawler yacht is something that aspires to an ethos / ambition and is loosely bound by hull type, styling, range etc. and was never meant in the strictest sense we are trying to pin it down to. Even the Grand Banks one of the grandfathers to the whole genre never made a fully displacement hull, and those architects went on to make other icons such as DeFever etc
 
NBs said:
Hi,

The idea of ​​the second corner is why many manufacturers in the EU have begun to call their own products at best with planig hull boats "Trawler" "eco Trawler" and others.

Why is it sexy to be a "Trawler"?

NBS
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It feeds a dream, it's not unique to boats. Look at the plethora of 4x4's, and adventure motorcycles on the market. All travelling the same roads as your bog standard family hatchback. That's not to say they aren't capable, but that it was not the driving design factor.
 
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I wish I had a shortlist. I keep going round in circles something like this. I want a boat which is going to be more comfortable in a lumpy sea than a P boat so that means a D boat. But I dont really want to go slow all the time and a D boat is usually compromised on accommodation. So what about a SD boat? But SD boats are usually more expensive than P boats size for size and still compromised on accommodation and I'm not entirely convinced that all SD boats are more seaworthy than all P boats. So how about a good P boat with stabs? Well yes but a D boat would definitely be more comfortable in a lumpy sea. And so it goes. And then I go all left field and start thinking about buying an older D or SD project boat and refitting it but a cold shower and a lie down usually fixes that. All I know is that our next boat will be 60-70ft long with at least 3 cabins, 2 engines and stabs. And then my SWMBO points out that we've already got one of those and there's not much wrong with it

FWIW we have looked at the Hardy 65, Outer Reef 630 and a used Ferretti 750 (both of the latter on Mole Sud). All have pluses and minuses. We will continue to look at various different boats to see if we can nail down a shortlist
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Elling E6* - e.g. http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2017/Elling-6-3134386/Ukraine#.WjuJ2_-IDIU?


* some (not me) might even claim this as a "Trawler Yacht"
 
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I think we have to add to the mix the interior especially the lower helm. It needs to have something different, side door, raised pilot house, Portuguese bridge, bed and heads, large free standing chart table etc etc
 
Bouba said:
I think we have to add to the mix the interior especially the lower helm. It needs to have something different, side door, raised pilot house, Portuguese bridge, bed and heads, large free standing chart table etc etc
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Hi Bouba and Mike,

I've been following this thread with great interest, as well as the similar one on the Trawler Forum. My feeling is that it's coming down to much of what we have been saying, so for me:

1) Lifestyle - no rush. Enjoy the sea crossing at displacement speed rather than being desperate to arrive and making it an endurance run
2) Separate pilothouse complete with a proper chart table
3) Internal space sufficient for live aboard
4) Long ocean crossing capability
5) Self sufficiency for many days

I could go on, but that's a reasonable definition to me.
 
You realise that definition could also cover a motor sailer and doesn't exclude catamarans :encouragement:
 
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