Zing
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This is close to a proper trawler yacht. The N62. It just needs a steel hull, rust streaks and a dozen car tyres as fenders to make it perfect.
Piers
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I've always admired the N62. A shame they discontinued it.
balder
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The Fleming is a georgeous yacht in the trawler range. And read stories from Mr FLEMING cruising aboard his personal yacht in Canada and other areas is fantastic!
longjohnsilver
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Keep trying, it will work in the end! Hopefully..............
Bouba
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What makes a trawler is not range, as any boat at displacement and a lazaret full of jerrycans can cross a sea. It’s not ride, as pointed out before in some conditions a planer with fins is a better ride and sometimes you want a cat other times you don’t.
It’s room, the maximum room you can stuff into and on top of a hull with just enough styling so it doesn’t look like a houseboat
It’s room, the maximum room you can stuff into and on top of a hull with just enough styling so it doesn’t look like a houseboat
BruceK
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Bingo! Of course the purists are going to tie you to a stake and set fire to it but when they ask you for your last words ask one them for the authoritative definition and escape during the fallout
MapisM
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I don't think language is a matter of being a purist or not, and the authoritative definition on language is bound to be the dictionary, I reckon. According to Cambridge Dictionary, a trawler is "a large boat that uses a wide, cone-shaped net to catch fish" - period.
Now, if we translate that into hull forms, it doesn't take a naval architect to appreciate that in the history of mankind neither catamarans nor planing monohulls have ever been used for such purpose.
Otoh, after the term was stolen by pleasure boatbuilders, in a market where anyone can label what they build as they wish, depending on what their clients want to hear, it just became a matter of shouting louder to win the argument... :ambivalence:
I guess a more proper title for this debate should actually be "What is the most trawler-esque yacht"?
BruceK
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We have our first punter :encouragement:
One could argue why it could not be a catamaran. After all hull shape has never defined trawler in the first instance and yet what others perceive to be ideal trawler ethos / characteristics the cat could well conform to. Range, space, speed, seakeeping etc
One could argue why it could not be a catamaran. After all hull shape has never defined trawler in the first instance and yet what others perceive to be ideal trawler ethos / characteristics the cat could well conform to. Range, space, speed, seakeeping etc
mcanderson
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And then my SWMBO points out that we've already got one of those and there's not much wrong with it
Sounds like the answer to your problem has already been given by S.
Sounds like the answer to your problem has already been given by S.
Bouba
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What I love about this argument is that we can have it. On the Trawler Forum it’s a very serious issue
Piers
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Maybe we should post the question on their forum and see what happens....Oops, I've just done it!
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Irish Rover
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BruceK
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Indeed. But I still think it's like asking someone else what the best flavour of ice cream is. The answer of course depends on the month. Personally the SWMBO wants to go for a small trader and I'm keen on the President 46 (they're all I can afford at the mo) and neither is a trawler but it's use would be. Now how do you differentiate that?
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Bouba
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Just went on and saw your post:encouragement: interestingly it was just after somebody posted about outboard powered trawlers! Let’s see if he survives the night
vas
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based on the definitions given already, I'm pretty sure that putting aside the f/b issue, both Match and Blue Angel are trawlers, no?
Just get them down to 8kn and see what range they have. BA is probably more of a trawler with the extra tanks fitted by Bart!
V.
Just get them down to 8kn and see what range they have. BA is probably more of a trawler with the extra tanks fitted by Bart!
V.
BartW
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based on the definitions given already, I'm pretty sure that putting aside the f/b issue, both Match and Blue Angel are trawlers, no?
Just get them down to 8kn and see what range they have. BA is probably more of a trawler with the extra tanks fitted by Bart!
V.
In my pre Blue Angel ownership era,
I was a novice for everything bigger than 30ft,
I adore the “trawler” style boats , Mapism’s CNA was one of them
And Looking back in my boat search thread from that time,
apparently my vieuw of a Canados 70s was that
she was much more trawler looking than comparable plastic tubs from Princess or Ferretti,
see 4th paragraph of post nr 1 in this old boat search thread:
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?260592-Princess-or-Ferretti-what-boat-would-you-choose
MapisM
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Well, you asked for an authoritative source, I tried to comply.
If the hull shape is irrelevant to a boat meant for trawling nets, I suppose you can post several examples of commercial trawlers with several hull forms other than full displacement...?
MapisM
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B, I know this is not what you meant, but just for sake of accuracy, I think it's fair to say that my old lady was a downright trawler in her own right, rather than just a trawler style boat.
Just to follow along the lines of my previous reasoning, she was built by a yard which always built fishing trawlers, and aside from creating an accommodation area and a flybridge, plus removing the fishing cranes and equipment, there wasn't much else that they did, when they began building pleasure boats.
There are other examples of yards with a similar heritage (also with plastic boats btw, not just wooden ones), like Northern Marine in the US or Crosera in IT.
Malahide also came from commercial trawlers, if I'm not mistaken.
Bottom line, using the term "trawler" for pleasure boats is already a stretch per se.
So, I think it's fair to use it for boats which are at least inspired to real trawlers in their construction...
Then again, we live in a world where marketing claims are often more relevant than the real product content - not only with boats, goes without saying! :ambivalence:
Zing
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I agree. I can't understand why it was chopped. Not all innovations are for the better. Another model they did, which also didn't deserve the chop is the 57. It's more than a little like your boat, but doesn't hope to qualify as a trawler unless you get the version with the windows sloping forwards. No rust again -just another pretender really.
BruceK
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Well, you asked for an authoritative source, I tried to comply.
If the hull shape is irrelevant to a boat meant for trawling nets, I suppose you can post several examples of commercial trawlers with several hull forms other than full displacement...?
Irish rover did. post 52.
Well done for stepping up to the plate though. Risky business :encouragement:
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