What flag is this anyone?

[cliff]

Looks like it could be the cayman Islands but it is hard to see from the pic.
Here are a few more defaced ensigns

Bermuda

Falkland Islands

Monserrat

Pitcairn

St. Helena

South Georgia

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[l'escargot]

[ QUOTE ]
It's not a true Red Ensign, as in the UK. It not acceptable to scandalise the Red ensign in the UK, therefore why should it be allowed or even recognised by British in foriegn countries?

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If by scandalised you mean defaced, there are a number of acceptable defaced red ensigns belonging to yacht clubs in the UK. May be that it is a club ensign and not a national one.

 

[BWI]

Re: Nonsense talk on tax avoidance

Blimey, it's like a kindergarden here, I gave a clear concise explanation and still others pop up to confirm and re-confirm, yes miss, me miss, me miss, I know miss, I knew before he did miss, please miss /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Is it sailing weather there yet or are 'some' of you still sitting at home in the cold at your computers getting fat talking armchair nonsense and bullshit? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[BWI]

"You only see what you recognise, and you only recognise what you know"

I know, so I recognise and I can see /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

It's blatantly clear that some of the people here know very little, therefore can't recognise it, so cannot see it /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I believe the saying over there is a waste of space /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[jfm]

Hang about BWI

Heck BWI, not sure that criticism of ShipsCat is fair. His only comment on the flag has been "Finally, as BWI states, the flag in the photo is that of the Cayman Islands, not of some other place". Hardly "nonsense and bullshit", all quite correct in fact.

Just noticed you are a newish user. Praps you didn't mean to reply to Ship's Cat with the "bullshit" response? For future ref you should click reply to the specific post you are replying to, else the thread gets hard to follow. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[BWI]

Re: Hang about BWI

Oops sorry, I see where I went wrong, I withdraw bullshit re ships cat, but the other bullshitters can keep my comment /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[mjf]

Re: Hang about BWI

and......fill your bio please . from your name I assume you are in the Caribs?

 

[paulineb]

Re: Nonsense talk on tax avoidance

play nicely

 

[BWI]

Re: Nonsense talk on tax avoidance

Only signed up to defend my flag from the ignorant, rude and bullshitters /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

I won't be hanging around, I came across this forum a year or so ago and it looked fun and lively, I wondered if I was at the same site when I logged in yesterday, it's unrecognisable, nothing to do with boats and boring /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[BrendanS]

Re: Nonsense talk on tax avoidance

Were not allowed to put fun stuff on here anymore - it's all in the Lounge forum now

 

[deborahann]

shame on you, you live in the IOM and the boats been there a few hours, and you still haven't established the life history the of the boat owner, his boat and his whole family !!! not mention where it came from via, and has been all its life.

Bet you'll be down there first thing tomorrow tho finding out !! good on you.

keep us ex IOM'ers posted, we, even tho lived there relatively a short time LIKE TO KNOW, got to keep in practice for when I/we come back. & lets see some pics of the boat its size where its moored etc etc /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[capnjack]

Re: Nonsense talk on tax avoidance

BWI,

My goodness me, stop stamping your feet and ripping tissues.

You are right and you were the first one to spot it. My god, calm down man. If this is your specialist subject, then reading the Yellow Pages and doing Joined up Writing will be a doddle.

 

[Nautical]

Would do but he was in and out like a shot, bloody battery on the digicam went flat after the first pic. Nice boat though, best side of a mill squids I'd say even though was cira 2000.

You see, told you the Isle of Man is the place to be for the rich and famous and their flash toys. Seems of late quite a few nice yachts popping in and out but then it is a perfect stop off point going north or south or indeed east - west etc.

Mifted at the mo, was supposed to be flashing accross to Ardglass today to have the EVC's upgraded but pigging weather put a stop to play. Was hoping to break the record of 1hr 22mins, was even going to piccy the trip start to finish to post on here later on in the evening when we got back, Boo hoo!.

 

[Ships_Cat]

Re: Hang about BWI

No offence taken BWI - guessed that we were both on the same side.

I'm in New Zealand, we see alot of Caymen Register boats out here.

John

 

[ashanta]

What does that indicate? If you do not accept that boats in the Caribean are registered in places like the caymen Isles for tax benefit purposes Then I am amazed. My comments are not "drivel". If they were, we would see that more vessels would be registered in Britain and USA where most of the owners/companies are based.

 

[lyc]

Same flag on Nelson Piquet\'s boat?

This must be the same flag on Nelson Piquet's boat Pilar Rossi

 

[Ships_Cat]

You can take this as coming from someone who deals with internationally roaming vessels and their flags - your comments are indeed total "drivel". Myself and another poster (whose bio and previous authorative posts should be reviewed before casting his views aside) have briefly commented as to why so.

What happened to you to give you such a little man's uninformed and hatred filled view of companies and those with wealth? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

John

 

[ArthurWood]

Re: Nonsense talk on tax avoidance

Hey, I was the first one to spot it, but I didn't bother to say so. So there /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif There are a number of boats in our marina flying the CI flag. I thought that there is a tax avoidance reason. Otherwise why bother to go the trouble of registering the vessel there if it's always kept here?

 

[Ships_Cat]

Re: Nonsense talk on tax avoidance

Otherwise why bother to go the trouble of registering the vessel there if it's always kept here?

In most countries a foreign registered vessel cannot be kept there for more than a limited period of time without being imported and the costs of duties, sales taxes and value added/goods and service taxes paid. Many foreign flagged pleasure vessels are tax paid.

Addressing one only of the major reasons why a large pleasure/charter type vessel may be registered with one of the Cat 1 registers or other foreign registers is they are more understanding of small vessels, both operationally and design wise. A couple of examples:

Last year I was invited to a vessel which had been purchased in the UK by a non UK owner; the vessel was previously under a non British flag. The new owner wanted to reflag it into a "big ship" type register which used, in the UK, MCA surveyors. I saw the vessel after its delivery voyage to the new owner's home country and was asked what I thought of some of the changes the surveyors had required - they were plain stupid and in one case actually dangerous for a small (by small I mean was not a ship) vessel. With the vessel out of the hands of the MCA, the flag itself understood that and allowed the changes to be undone.

A couple of years ago I was asked to assist with the fitting out of 2 sheltered waters vessels the owner had just purchased in one country and he needed to put them into service in another. That entailed a once off approx 3,000 mile tropic (so benign weather) positioning voyage. The vessels were flagged by the new owner into the "big ship" register of his home country but we found that the requirements of that register for the one off positioning voyage just grew to be nonsensical for a simple repositioning voyage. So, the owner reflagged them with a small register that better understood the operation of smaller vessels, repositioned the vessels and then flagged them back into his home country's flag. Obviously no tax advantages there.

Some non internationally roaming boats I have been involved with have legally had to go into their local ("big ship" oriented) flag and we have contrived and presented cases as to why their rules for various things were not appropriate (typically matters such as subdivision, loadline survey, damage stability, etc) and have actually found it legally easier and cheaper to find an excuse not to flag the vessels at all.

There, I have gone to the trouble of setting out some first hand experiences of the non tax reasons as to why people choose to flag their vessels on other registers. Perhaps those forumites who claim it is all tax driven by exploitive wealthy individuals or companies could, in return, set out exactly what these tax advantages are and present some examples from their own first hand personal experience where they have seen (and know) those advantages have been unreasonably exploited.

John

 

[jfm]

Ashanta you really are quite wrong. I wouldn't much care but your comments insult those with boats on oversea registers. The shipping registers in cayman, Bermuda, IoM are chosen for regulatory reasons as set out by ship's cat in his longer post. There are many such regulatory reasons in addition to the ones ShipsCat mentions, for example specific points on employer/crew rights, the fact that only some registers will allow partnerships to be registered as owners (as opposed to companies/individuals), the fact that only some registers allow long term lessors/charterers (as opposed to "freehold" owners) to be registered as proprietors, confidentiality/public disclosure of name/address of beneficial owner of the boat, etc etc. And of course the boat owner might actually live in Cayman, Bermuda, wherever

But the fact is that if a company or individual is a UK tax payer and owns a boat, then that tax liability simply cannot be reduced by virtue of registering the boat on say the Cayman register as opposed to the UK register. If you disagree, please explain -even in rudimentary terms- how