What boat is this?

[Kemal]

Hello everyone, I am planning to buy this boat from an auction but nobody knows what make and model the vessel is. Please help if anyone has an idea about this vessel.
I attach some photos of the vessel
Some info: she is a steel pilot house sloop rigged motorsailer about 50 foot. Previously registered in Sweden.
Cheers

 

[Tranona]

Welcome to the forum.

Unlikely anyone would have any idea what the boat is.

Please do not put in a bid until you get full information about the boat, who built it, where it ahs been used, history of owners and most important a survey/
,
. Boats like that, even good ones are money pits and bidding blind at an auction is madness.

 

[Stemar]

I would guess a one-off, quite possibly a home build.

It's also a LOT of work. Unless you've got a lot of time on your hands, a substantial budget and good welding skills, look elsewhere, even if it's free.

If you do get her finished, running costs won't be trivial; that's a heavy old lump to push through the water.

and most important a survey

This needs to include checking the thickness of the hull, especially below the waterline

 

[Kemal]

Thanks to you all. I appreciate the comments and will see the survey report first.

 

[Graham376]

Thanks to you all. I appreciate the comments and will see the survey report first.

And factor in a few thousand pounds for yard storage while you do the work, looks like there will be lots to do on that hull.

 

[bitbaltic]

I would guess a one-off, quite possibly a home build.

It's also a LOT of work. Unless you've got a lot of time on your hands, a substantial budget and good welding skills, look elsewhere, even if it's free.

Agree with that. OP might find this video instructive, a couple doing up a similar steel boat and the huge effort involved:

 

[Kemal]

Agree with that. OP might find this video instructive, a couple doing up a similar steel boat and the huge effort involved:

Fantastic job ???

 

[Yngmar]

Without better photos it's hard to say, but could've been a Diesel Duck or similar: Diesel Ducks Home – George Buehler Yacht Design

But until someone invests a few years of lifetime and several tenthousand Eurodollars, it's a Rustbucket 50, ready to go nowhere.

 

[Stemar]

Fantastic job ???

Yes. Now translate the time, money and skill put into her to your boat. If you have all three, you enjoy welding and fettling, and you don't mind waiting a year or three to get out on the water, you're good to go.

We're doing our best to put you off because, if you've got what it takes, in terms of sheer determination and bloody-mindedness, you won't listen, and you'll likely succeed. If we manage to put you off, you shouldn't be taking on that sort of project anyway

 

[Kemal]

Yes. Now translate the time, money and skill put into her to your boat. If you have all three, you enjoy welding and fettling, and you don't mind waiting a year or three to get out on the water, you're good to go.

We're doing our best to put you off because, if you've got what it takes, in terms of sheer determination and bloody-mindedness, you won't listen, and you'll likely succeed. If we manage to put you off, you shouldn't be taking on that sort of project anyway

Well, I have time but limited money and skills that (to be honest) I was ignoring them. I have to confess that you are about to succeed to put me off to taking that project. Yesterday I learnt that the engine is a V8 Perkins 510 series 128 kw. Do you think it is a good engine with fair fuel economy? Cheers

 

[dunedin]

Well, I have time but limited money and skills that (to be honest) I was ignoring them. I have to confess that you are about to succeed to put me off to taking that project. Yesterday I learnt that the engine is a V8 Perkins 510 series 128 kw. Do you think it is a good engine with fair fuel economy? Cheers

The engine could be a problem - but likely the least of your many hugely expensive problems. And perhaps unlikely to get used for 2-3 more years whilst the boat is ashore being rebuilt?

 

[Stemar]

limited money and skills

In that case, look for a smaller boat, preferably in GRP, that's ready to go. There'll still be a substantial to do list, but it'll be cheaper and less daunting.

Old steel boats can be lovely, but they do need to be big (=expensive to park and drive) to carry the weight, and that sound you can hear at night when all is quiet? That's the sound of salt water converting your pride and joy's steel to rust. It never goes away!

 

[Kemal]

In that case, look for a smaller boat, preferably in GRP, that's ready to go. There'll still be a substantial to do list, but it'll be cheaper and less daunting.

Old steel boats can be lovely, but they do need to be big (=expensive to park and drive) to carry the weight, and that sound you can hear at night when all is quiet? That's the sound of salt water converting your pride and joy's steel to rust. It never goes away!

OMG! I never knew that there is such a sound of precess of the rusting steel in the steel boats. Thank you for the information

 

[SlowlyButSurely]

Hello everyone, I am planning to buy this boat from an auction but nobody knows what make and model the vessel is. Please help if anyone has an idea about this vessel.
I attach some photos of the vessel
Some info: she is a steel pilot house sloop rigged motorsailer about 50 foot. Previously registered in Sweden.
Cheers

There's a book called "Metal Boat Repair and Maintenance" by Scott Fratcher. If you haven't already got a copy it would be well worth reading, unless you are an engineer and already know all this stuff of course. The great thing about steel is that anything can be repaired given time and perserverance. Good luck with the project!

 

[Graham376]

Well, I have time but limited money and skills that (to be honest) I was ignoring them. I have to confess that you are about to succeed to put me off to taking that project. Yesterday I learnt that the engine is a V8 Perkins 510 series 128 kw. Do you think it is a good engine with fair fuel economy? Cheers

From what you say, I would walk away. We have a couple of friends with steel boats and one in particular has welded in more patches over the last couple of years than I can count. Even forgetting the vast amount and cost of work on that boat, which will be similar to painting the Forth bridge, can you afford the yard costs and then when finished a marina berth costing many thousands for a boat that size? As for that engine in a 50 ft boat, I guess consumption will be £50+/hour.

 

[Tranona]

Well, I have time but limited money and skills that (to be honest) I was ignoring them. I have to confess that you are about to succeed to put me off to taking that project. Yesterday I learnt that the engine is a V8 Perkins 510 series 128 kw. Do you think it is a good engine with fair fuel economy? Cheers

The V8 Perkins is an ancient design and was not that popular even when it was new. Check whether spares are still available.

 

[Stemar]

OMG! I never knew that there is such a sound of precess of the rusting steel in the steel boats. Thank you for the information

That was an attempt at humour. The sound is real, but it's only in your brain. The actual process is quite silent until either you do something about it (sounds of angle grinders) or you ignore it, when eventually you get crunching sounds as bits fall off or glub glub sounds when the sea decides to join you.

 

[Kemal]

There's a book called "Metal Boat Repair and Maintenance" by Scott Fratcher. If you haven't already got a copy it would be well worth reading, unless you are an engineer and already know all this stuff of course. The great thing about steel is that anything can be repaired given time and perserverance. Good luck with the project!

Thank you for the advise

 

[Kemal]

That was an attempt at humour. The sound is real, but it's only in your brain. The actual process is quite silent until either you do something about it (sounds of angle grinders) or you ignore it, when eventually you get crunching sounds as bits fall off or glub glub sounds when the sea decides to join you.

Oh ok, I did not get the metaphor and I don't think I want ever to hear the glub glub sound on any vessel. ???