what are these nav lights showing?

[Sailingsaves]

Found via the Lounge, sea photos.

The third photo may be showing a boat with two all round reds meaning it is not under command.

Firstly am I correct in the above?

Secondly, what type of situation could have arisen for the boat to be not under command?

Third photo down in the link below:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ife-ocean-waves-Britains-tough-seafarers.html

 

[Neil_Y]

Under way but not under command could be a broken steering system or some other lack of control or ability to control direction or speed.

 

[LadyInBed]

He's obviously fishing, maybe some kind of drift fishing, cast the net and go to bed!

 

[Neil_Y]

Interesting that I've never noticed it before on a fishing vessel but at this point of hauling nets it's likely they can't actually do much in terms of maneuvering so are effectively not under command until nets are aboard.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

That's why fishing vessels are supposed to display lights and day marks to reflect that, but in practice most do not. "Not under command" isn't right though, it's more like "restricted in ability to manoeuvre as a result of its work".

 

[RichardS]

The boat does seem to be showing Not Under Command rather than Fishing (red over white) or Restricted Manoeuvring (red, white red)

I'm not sure why.

Richard

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Yes it seemingly does. Maybe it's been photoshopped...? Further down there's another one, showing green over red...!

 

[Sailingsaves]

"Not under command" isn't right though, it's more like "restricted in ability to manoeuvre as a result of its work".

That is what I thought (after the forum taught me the correct use of "not under command some weeks ago"), but thought I 'd ask more knowledgeable people to confirm.

Thanks.

 

[knuterikt]

Fishing net in propeller = NUC (Not Under Command)

 

[sarabande]

Most likely to be supposed for nets caught on the ground, i.e not able to manouver.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Fishing net in propeller = NUC (Not Under Command)

That could apply. Or snagged nets on a wreck, or something like that.

 

[sarabande]

The one in harbour with Green over Red is a bit of a puzzle. Perhaps "Bacon sandwiches will be served shortly" ?

 

[Seven Spades]

green over red the captain's brain dead.

 

[prv]

maybe some kind of drift fishing, cast the net and go to bed!

Wat? It's quite obviously a trawler hauling its nets and about to empty the cod-end into the hopper.

As Scala says, shouldn't be showing NUC, and I think RAM is not really correct either - it's just fishing and should be showing green over white. But I think NUC is sometimes used as the maritime equivalent of putting your hazards on when parking somewhere you shouldn't...

Pete

 

[sarabande]

Hauling nets is White over Red, shooting them is White over White. Perm any 2 out of three Oh I forgot the alternate yellow flashing ones for pair trawling.

 

[prv]

The one in harbour with Green over Red is a bit of a puzzle. Perhaps "Bacon sandwiches will be served shortly" ?

Mm. She's a trawler (trawl doors just visible on the quarters) so should be green over white, so the red one's a bit of a puzzle.

Wondered briefly if she was lit as a general fishing boat (red over white) plus showing a yachty tricolour on top, but there's no way the tri could ever be legal for her, plus the sidelights (albeit not lit) are on the wheelhouse just above the windows.

All a bit of a mess really.

Pete

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Found this:

Fishing, Trawling
A vessel engaged in fishing, whether underway or at anchor, shall exhibit only the lights and shapes prescribed below.
A vessel when engaged in trawling, by which is meant the dragging through the water of a dredge net or other apparatus used as a fishing appliance, shall exhibit:


two all-round lights in a vertical line, the upper being green and the lower white, or a shape consisting of two cones with their apexes together in a vertical line one above the other;
a masthead light abaft of and higher than the all-round green light; a vessel of less than 50 metres in length shall not be obliged to exhibit such a light but may do so;
when making way through the water, in addition to the lights prescribed hereh, sidelights and a sternlight.
when shooting nets, white light over white light (Flag Z by day);
when hauling nets, white light over red light (Flag G by day);
When nets are caught on the bottom, red light over red light (Flag P by day)

 

[prv]

Found this:

When nets are caught on the bottom, red light over red light (Flag P by day)

Must admit I wasn't up to speed with the lights for specific fishing activities - but that one's still not applicable (blaming the skipper, not you ) since the net clearly isn't caught on the bottom in the picture.

Pete

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Yes agreed. Seems clear that it's another fishing boat that ignores the rules.

 

[dom]

Yes agreed. Seems clear that it's another fishing boat that ignores the rules.

To be fair to him, the boat is lit up like a Christmas Tree!