Greenheart
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What are these, aboard Skip Novak's boat?
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Wansworth
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Warps on drums
Greenheart
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Thanks for that.
Why have I never, ever seen warps on drums on any other yachts?
Why have I never, ever seen warps on drums on any other yachts?
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They're often on northern European boats, on the stern rail. Used for trailing warps in nasty weather.
GHA
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For tying off to shore when anchored. Will be in one of his videos probably.
Frank Holden
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Greenheart
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I see, thanks. They look as if they'd be vulnerable to big deck-sweeping waves, but if that were so, Novak would hardly rely on them.
Neeves
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As Frank says, shore lines - very common in northern or southern high latitudes. Drum are common, but if you look at the pics in the link - laundry baskets and 'things' like spinnaker turtles or sailbags (the sort like kitbags - not the long sausages). Also common - reels of tape, nylon or dyneema - many manufacturers of the reels - but you also see the same tape reels in the Baltic and Med.
https://www.sailmagazine.com/cruising/know-how-expanding-your-anchoring-repertoire
If you look at other photo of Pelagic - the helm station protrudes much more than the reels.
I don't think you will find many yachts in high latitudes without shore lines, a plethora of immediately available anchors (and chimneys
).Jonathan.
prv
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Because you don't see many yachts heading for the Patagonian canals and similar remote places. And many of those which are, will stow their long shorelines differently. Climbing-rope bags, mesh "troughs" with velcro tops, etc, but the deck reels aren't unique to Pelagic, I have seen them (in pictures) on other boats that visit such places.
Pete
Neeves
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I see them a lot, in the higher latitudes, near or on the transom. They are often incorporated into the pushpit (in fact Pelagic is the only yacht I can think of with them located at the mast base (where they will be a nuisance if you need to work on the bow).
But as Pete says unless you are in high latitudes you simply don't see 'deck reels' but you do see lots of tape 'drums'. in places with more benign weather. Pelagics' are fixed to the deck, or were when I saw her, though they might be simply clipped into place. They don't need to be fixed and could be stored in a lacker - they are simply a means to store, deploy and retrieve rope - that you will be using every day that you anchor (or as Frank implies to fix the position of the yacht in sometimes a tight location without using the anchor at all).
We use shore lines quite often, in tight anchorages in Tasmania - (similar to the example in Frank's photo) we keep ours in sacks - and I have often wondered about using a simple domestic garden hose reel.
Jonathan
But as Pete says unless you are in high latitudes you simply don't see 'deck reels' but you do see lots of tape 'drums'. in places with more benign weather. Pelagics' are fixed to the deck, or were when I saw her, though they might be simply clipped into place. They don't need to be fixed and could be stored in a lacker - they are simply a means to store, deploy and retrieve rope - that you will be using every day that you anchor (or as Frank implies to fix the position of the yacht in sometimes a tight location without using the anchor at all).
We use shore lines quite often, in tight anchorages in Tasmania - (similar to the example in Frank's photo) we keep ours in sacks - and I have often wondered about using a simple domestic garden hose reel.
Jonathan
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RupertW
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We see them all the time in the Med for tieing back to shore when anchored. More secure and you can fit far more boats round a bay. We have two 100m polypropylene warps but haven’t yet attached drums so they come out of bags.
Yngmar
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We have only one 100m polysteel stern line reel, but you can see us cruising around the med with it. And this year we've discovered that it is much smarter and easier to go bow-to with the shore line, in combination with a stern anchor, which is now on the other reel. Moving the rode from a box (the blue 20L plastic oil can with the top cut off you see on the right) to the reel was a major improvement.
The axle is a piece of anodized aluminium tube which I recycled from a broken water broom. It's suspended under the solar arch with bits of string, and the reels we got for free from chandleries, which usually throw them away once the rope is sold that came on them. The solar panels give some protection from direct sunlight.
Quite happy with this setup (at last - it took three iterations), although Skip Novak's twin reels near the mast are even better for shore lines.
The axle is a piece of anodized aluminium tube which I recycled from a broken water broom. It's suspended under the solar arch with bits of string, and the reels we got for free from chandleries, which usually throw them away once the rope is sold that came on them. The solar panels give some protection from direct sunlight.
Quite happy with this setup (at last - it took three iterations), although Skip Novak's twin reels near the mast are even better for shore lines.
vyv_cox
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There are a couple of variations on these seen in the Med at http://coxeng.co.uk/anchoring/taking-lines-ashore/
Neeves
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We tend to deploy one anchor off the bow roller, another from the dinghy and then set up as a 'V' and then run a shore line off the transom. We have a bridle made up, so that we can run off each transom with a common rope. Occasionally we would take a line from the amidships horn cleat to shore.
Having short lengths of chain (as indicated by Vyv) or strops splices at both ends - saves wear on the shore lines. We make strops from rope we find on beaches - its then recycled, sacrificial and beefy line is better for trees you might use..
If use of shore lines was more popular (and more accepted) then more yachts could squeeze into restricted anchorages - its quite alien in Oz (and I suspect in the UK - show me I'm wrong!)
People comment that if the wind changes and turns to be on the beam - then you need to move, or take more careful note of forecast.
Jonathan
Having short lengths of chain (as indicated by Vyv) or strops splices at both ends - saves wear on the shore lines. We make strops from rope we find on beaches - its then recycled, sacrificial and beefy line is better for trees you might use..
If use of shore lines was more popular (and more accepted) then more yachts could squeeze into restricted anchorages - its quite alien in Oz (and I suspect in the UK - show me I'm wrong!)
People comment that if the wind changes and turns to be on the beam - then you need to move, or take more careful note of forecast.
Jonathan
vyv_cox
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It's having appreciable tidal range that makes shore lines difficult, unless you have the advantage of taking them to something that is floating, like icebergs! Shore lines mostly need to be kept fairly tight, easy in the almost tideless Mediterranean but around Wales, with tidal ranges anything between about 6 and 12 metres, I think I would not bother trying.
Neeves
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Its easy to forget you have tides (as do we) but not round Sydney, 2m, and in many parts of Tasmania - measured in parts of a metre. Up north they have 'your' tides - 11m.
Jonathan
Jonathan
steve1963
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Greenheart
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Good vid, thanks. :encouragement:
Neeves
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+1
The power of video.
It illustrates why people have long shore lines.
Personally I'm not keen on wire, under tension it might get locked under boulders and when a wire goes (and it would still be serviceable - they are lethal.
A good application to carry a few pitons, nuts (do they still call them nuts?) or offcuts of reinforcing rods and a hammer.
Jonathan
