What a dick head!

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The last time I posted a scuttleburk complained at my phrase of a starboards side to a channel.

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You were talking about a fairway in a marina ... not quite the same thing as there are no Port/Starboard channel markers are there!!

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It would make sense wouldnt it if you just sail outside the channels and when you need to cross a channel you start your engine, you continue to sail but the engine is their if you need it such as an emergency stop, speed up, becalmed from wind shadow, or just to help you tack a little quicker.

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Anyway - I think you're making a mountain out of an ant hill .... there are huge numbers of saily boats in and around the solent and very few "incidents" between commercial and leisure ...
 
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Anyway - I think you're making a mountain out of an ant hill .... there are huge numbers of saily boats in and around the solent and very few "incidents" between commercial and leisure ...

[/ QUOTE ]yep.... but Daka would prefer that all sailboats were kept tied up, and left more room for the moboers..... don't know why the mobers let him get away with his trolling as it does nothing but cause antagonism between the two groups....
 
poor chap just doesn't understand sailing at all - even his youTube link shows a stinky crashing into a stinky .... (no sails!!) - so perhaps an engine on a sail boat is more dangerous - so we shouldn't use them at all .... better ban all engines from channels and fairways ... that'll put us all on an equal footing!!
 
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don't know why the mobers let him get away with his trolling as it does nothing but cause antagonism between the two groups....

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Actually I am going to accept that criticism and leave you in peace.
A very nasty sail traditionalist had a bit of a go at me a couple of weeks ago and I was allowing that incident to affect the way I posted.
Although it was not my intention to antagonise the majority of forum members here, I have to accept that incident may have clouded my judgement.


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what outboard would you recommend for 45' boat that weighs 21tons and has a canoe stern?

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Something like this, but arranged in a semi-circle?

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Yes it contained several assumptions including the ferries speed of 15 knots and discounted the ferries size.

If there wasnt a wind shadow there would have been a significant switch in wind direction.

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Do you doubt the speed of the ferry?

My analysis of what would have happened to the wind is based on a lot of experience of racing in the Solent. Knowledge of what happens to the wind around ships is really quite important.

You didn't dispute it on the MOBO thread, why here?
 
Hi Flaming,

some are apparently getting upset at our post exchanges and feel I am attempting to cause an irritation, I think you realise that is not my intention however it leaves me feeling uncomfortable in posting here.

I am happy to continue by pm as long as you agree (as we have done before) to post our conclusion.

The link has gone but in my opinion the ferry was not doing 15knots.
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I didnt argue with you as you were not agreeing with my post.
I accept you do not agree and that was it, I attempted to politely diffuse the situation as you were getting a little abrasive.

I looked at the sails and deduced the wind was coming from behind the ferry.
My assumption was based on the x boat no being able to sail directly into wind .
I guessed at 35-40', but that is where I show my sailing ignorance as I have no idea how close to wind an x boat can sail, although I would be able to judge it from the helm of course.

Cheers
Pete


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My assumption was based on the x boat no being able to sail directly into wind .
I guessed at 35-40', but that is where I show my sailing ignorance as I have no idea how close to wind an x boat can sail, although I would be able to judge it from the helm of course.

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I thought you said you used to sail ... you should know that closewind you're talking somewhere between 30° to 50° off the wind - even from that photo it is obvious that the X-boat has plenty of wind and the wind is coming from the left of the picture ie not behind the ferry at all!!
 
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My assumption was based on the x boat no being able to sail directly into wind .
I guessed at 35-40', but that is where I show my sailing ignorance as I have no idea how close to wind an x boat can sail, although I would be able to judge it from the helm of course.

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I thought you said you used to sail ... you should know that closewind you're talking somewhere between 30° to 50° off the wind - even from that photo it is obvious that the X-boat has plenty of wind and the wind is coming from the left of the picture ie not behind the ferry at all!!

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Exactly, and because the ferry moves much faster than an X boat, the X boat cannot have come from the area of wind shadow behind the ferry, because when the X boat was in that bit of water the ferry was far away.
 
nah... you wont.... while we are having a sensible debate, no one minds at all.... its when you start throwing around daft colregs suggestions that it all gets narky.... personally i'm interested enough that I think you should continue this discussion here!
 
Daka, she'll have had clean air for a good while on that point of sailing. In fact, one reason the helmsman held on (if he was racing) is that he didn't want to tack and get caught in all the dirty air that there will have been in the lee of Falcon. Daft, in my view, but there you go.
 
and when the X boat was 20meters to the right (assuming 4 knots makes that 9.7 seconds prior) ... the ferry (assuming 15 knots) would be 75 meters further back ...
 
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"Perhaps one way to clarify the situation would be to add a By-law which says all vessels navigating in or through a channel or fairway will proceed with their engines running."

Stop being a petrolhead. X-boats don't have engines.

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He just wants more people having to pay for fuel in order to make his own fuel yet more expensive. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Where does 15 knots come from ?

The first photo has gone now which showed the situation clearly.

15knts push a wall of water at the bow.

the ferry has also just changed direction in the second photo.


The loss of wind is a bit of a red herring in any event, as I still believe the situation took place in the fairway as indicated on the chart as referred to in the cowes by laws and the ferry is expected to stand on.
There is doubt in this statement as some think Fairway does not include approach fairway.
I have said what I think.
You will be pleased to know I dont work for cowes HM so what I think doesnt matter anyway !
Why get so wound up



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Keep safe out there .

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Where does 15 knots come from ?

The first photo has gone now which showed the situation clearly.

15knts push a wall of water at the bow.

the ferry has also just changed direction in the second photo.

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15 knots - from others suggestions about the usual speed of Red Funnel ferry ...

The first picture is the only one that has been published, the second is just a crop of the first ... if you can't spot that then no wonder you can't tell which way the wind is coming from!!

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