What a dick head!

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15 knots is about the cruising speed of the red funnel, and speaking from experience they don't tend to slow down much before the entrance to Cowes.

I think it is therefore safe to assume that the Ferry was doing this speed as the situation was developing.

So the ferry did not take the X boat's wind. As you stated.

Your assertation that the fairway reffers to the approach fairway is an interesting one, and not something I'd considered before.
My experience suggests that the red funnel ferries do not tend to act like that, and will give way to sailing boats until they are up to the first red and green buoys.

I am therefore interested in why that didn't seem to happen in this case, but wild speculation about stolen wind can be discounted as not possible given the photographic evidence.
 
Interesting article.

Certainly appears that Red Funnel believe that they were the stand-on vessel, and are pretty critical not just of the general seamanship but also of the lack of observation for the rules of the road.

It will be interesting to see their reasoning in more detail.
 
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...The By laws of QHM, Southampton water and Cowes all define these.

Lescargot has argued that Fairway does not include 'approach' Fairway....

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No I haven't, the Cowes byelaws and Admiralty charts define the "Fairway" and "Fairway Approaches" (remember your purple lines on the chart?). One is a fairway, one isn't - I am sure you can wotk out which is which.
 
seems the incident took place 300m north of the entrance to Cowes harbour ... it will be interesting to see the outcome from the investigation as to when they judge the narrow channel to begin.
 
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...Certainly appears that Red Funnel believe that they were the stand-on vessel, and are pretty critical not just of the general seamanship but also of the lack of observation for the rules of the road...

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The ferry company are unlikely to admit they were wrong initially. It would be interesting to hear the view of the helm of the X boat. I doubt whether he is admitting he was wrong either.
 
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The first picture is the only one that has been published, the second is just a crop of the first ... if you can't spot that then no wonder you can't tell which way the wind is coming from!!



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The full photo showed the wake direction and size, which to me indicated a slower speed and a change in direction.

The x boat has not cut across at 90' to the ferry which seems to be an assumption by some in ascertaining the mucky wind paten.

not arguing just attempting to explain why I posted what I did.
Happy to accept it could be wrong but appreciate if you will check suggestion before discounting it /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Sailing, don't you just love it to death ?
 
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The x boat has not cut across at 90' to the ferry which seems to be an assumption by some in ascertaining the mucky wind paten.

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No, I explicitly stated that the X boat had not crossed at 90 degrees, but that I estimate the wind to have been at roughtly 90 degrees to the ship.

You are way overcomplicating a simple issue.
 
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You are way overcomplicating a simple issue.

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Don't worry - he can't comprehend the boat tipping and having to control 2 sails and a tiller with no radar/ais to tell him where all the ships are ... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Your assertation that the fairway reffers to the approach fairway is an interesting one, and not something I'd considered before.


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From Cowes HM
<span style="color:red"> "The main harbour fairway approaches" are defined as the area within the pecked
lines as shown on the Admiralty Charts. </span>

re speed of ferry

I assume he slowed after 5 blasts never mind 10 blasts but who knows !
 
Seems to me the whole question revolves around whether or not the incident happened in a fairway. If it did, smacked bottie for the yottie. If it didn't, no one pays the ferryman. The only evidence we've seen is one pic. Not enough for us to know where the craft were positioned.
 
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The ferry company are unlikely to admit they were wrong initially.

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True, but they would be wise not to say too many words that they may have to eat at a later date - unless they are absolutely sure that they are technically in the right. Otherwise perhaps they ought to stick with the 'good seamanship' argument!
 
I hate to say this but Daka reminds me of the playground when I used to pretend being a Spitfire shooting down the Hun ... DakaDakaDakaDakaDakaDakaDakaDakaDakaDaka ..... Kaboom!
 
Seems to be a bit contentious how far outside the start of a channel rule 9 applies. 1 and a half cables is not far, about three boat lengths of the ferry. (Racing Rules anyone?)
Not knowing the tracks of the two boats, one wonders if rule 13 applies.
I suspect it is significant that Cowes HM and Dread Funnel are talking about colregs, not Cowes Harbour Byelaws.
The Cowes LNTM are very sparse, basically only reiterate the Soton moving prohib Zone.
Interesting to note the speed limit is 6kts in the roads, unless you have awritten exemption. Does the ferry have such an exemption?
It seems to me that the ferry always goes to Cowes, and Xboats don't go anywhere very quickly, how did they fail to predict each others actions?
I have long held the view that there are a lot of pillocks in the Solent, driving all sorts of vessels.
 
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I hate to say this but Daka reminds me of the playground when I used to pretend being a Spitfire shooting down the Hun ... DakaDakaDakaDakaDakaDakaDakaDakaDakaDaka ..... Kaboom!

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Europe, 2009 - The Western Solent; Brave young sailors reach it out for the mastery of the sea! Armed with bearing compass and protected only by canvas sail and wood, they pull death-defying manoeuvres to gain the crucial advantage. Bank, roll, heel, then Dakadakadaka! Belching thick black smoke, the shattered rigging spirals towards the ground and another skipper bails out and reaches for a parachute rocket , shaking his fist and vowing to wreak revenge on his adversary!
 
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...Interesting to note the speed limit is 6kts in the roads, unless you have awritten exemption. Does the ferry have such an exemption?...

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I believe the Red Jet does, not sure about the car ferry.
 
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"Will this never end?"

Not until it reaches 200 posts, anyway.

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Well I don't know! I go away to earn some pennies for a few hours and you've only got up to 198 (well 199 with this one)..

Come on stop messing about, I have beer riding on this! I got a pint for the 100, I reckon 200 should put me in 2 pint territory!

So come on, who's going to be the 200th??? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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