What a dick head!

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Oh no!

From what has now been added it seems that the ferry was just about to enter Cowes channel and the X boat insisted on its rights to sail across the ferries bows.

As others have said the ferry could have anticipated this and slowed down earlier but I think I would have given way accepting that this area of water is very crowded especially at that time on a Saturday.

That means I have to agree with Chrusty1!!

Agree with Chrusty1 how can I ever live it down!!

Oh no probably never!!
 
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Oh no!

From what has now been added it seems that the ferry was just about to enter Cowes channel and the X boat insisted on its rights to sail across the ferries bows.

As others have said the ferry could have anticipated this and slowed down earlier but I think I would have given way accepting that this area of water is very crowded especially at that time on a Saturday.

That means I have to agree with Chrusty1!!

Agree with Chrusty1 how can I ever live it down!!

Oh no probably never!!

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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees! Result!!! Not only have you done the unthinkable, in agreeing with me, but you have just ensured my beer at SBS!!! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
A few years ago, the start of an offshore race was to the east, through the forts. Wind was virtually non existent soon after the start with the fleet of 100+ boats drifting on the tide across the whole of Spithead.

Through the forts appears one of P&O Nedlloyd's large container ships.......

No hooting, no panic, she's being conned by one of Southampton's finest; the ship just slaloms through the parked fleet at a steady pace, makes the tricky turn at West Bramble, no problemo. A joy to watch.

A bit of a machismo problem with the X-boat and the ferry methinks.
 
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Shouldn't the title be 'What a pair of Dickheads!"?

Did the ferry driver take avoiding action?

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The X boat was on starboard!!

I am actually surprised that this happened as they pretty well always give way to yachts under sail in the mid solent. I don't believe that they have any special right of way, at least not untill they are in the chanel approaching Portsmouth
 
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Why on earth are you taking this so personally, are you related to the ferry-boat-capn or just hope to be?

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I think Crusty is a bit Crusty.... Wasn't he the guy that advocated throwing away the rule book totally and always giving way to big traffic??? Nuts....
 
"I think Crusty is a bit Crusty.... Wasn't he the guy that advocated throwing away the rule book totally and always giving way to big traffic??? Nuts.... "

I think that you have been sucking the wrong dick laddie, I have never advocated any such thing, not on this thread or any other.

However, what I have been known to advocate, is the application of common sense, something that seems to be decidedly lacking from some of the posts on this thread.

Toodle Pip old boy! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Not only have you done the unthinkable, in agreeing with me, but you have just ensured my beer at SBS!!! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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I intend visiting SBS one of the Saturdays - not the 12th as will be doing the scutlebutt Cherbourg trip. I would be pleased to meet you and buy you a drink to see whether you are as big a wind up merchant in the flesh as you are sometimes in writing posts. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Erm, would it have been easier if they just spoke to eachother? I don't sail in the Solent but if I did I'd certainly have a handheld VHF in the cockpit even in a dinghy or keelboat, whatever that is. In the empty waters up north I keep a VHF in the cockpit. A quick chat would probably have sorted the problem before blood pressures went up and gonads shriveled.
 
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Perhaps you think that commercial traffic should go dancing about the oggin on account of some prat in a sail boat? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif


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Remind me where in IRPCS it says commercial traffic has priority?
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It 's because the skipper of the ferry took action that the dimwit in the sail boat didn't get swatted.

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Well, that's what he was supposd to do. So no problem, except he left it late and thought he could just blast his hooter instead of taking the legally required action.
 
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Crusty - I do appologies for sucking the wrong dick!! it was cageys...... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Bleeeerr Yuk! You poor sod! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
"Well, that's what he was supposd to do. So no problem, except he left it late and thought he could just blast his hooter instead of taking the legally required action"

I think that if you have read the thread properly you might realise from the eye witness accounts that you haven't got it quite right, some of the posts on this thread have been bordering on incredible arrogance, in my view that X boat skipper is the villain of the piece, because he didn't apply a bit of common sense. It may well be the case that the Ferry skipper might have taken some action sooner, but we shall have to wait and see. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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"I think Crusty is a bit Crusty.... Wasn't he the guy that advocated throwing away the rule book totally and always giving way to big traffic??? Nuts.... "

I think that you have been sucking the wrong dick laddie, I have never advocated any such thing, not on this thread or any other.

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Not sure I quite agree with you there:

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'"Just keep out of the way af the elephant. "

Just plain ordinary common sense, people can waffle all they like about colregs and [--word removed--], but in the real world, colregs are sometimes not worth a tin of beans.

What is so hard to understand?? If it /she is bigger than you keep out of the bloody way!'


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"I think Crusty is a bit Crusty.... Wasn't he the guy that advocated throwing away the rule book totally and always giving way to big traffic??? Nuts.... "

I think that you have been sucking the wrong dick laddie, I have never advocated any such thing, not on this thread or any other.

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Not sure I quite agree with you there:

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'"Just keep out of the way af the elephant. "

Just plain ordinary common sense, people can waffle all they like about colregs and [--word removed--], but in the real world, colregs are sometimes not worth a tin of beans.

What is so hard to understand?? If it /she is bigger than you keep out of the bloody way!'


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Thanks Pye end - I thought he had some funny ideas - perhaps I withdraw my appology to him!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Remind me where in IRPCS it says commercial traffic has priority?
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It probably doesn't, but closer to home on the Soton VTS website it says that recreational users (of the water, not drugs, I think) should avoid crossing the bows of commercial craft. Perhaps the X-boat skipper (being in all probability a lawyer misquoting one of the earliest posts) knew that this didn't apply as he was within the jurisdiction of Cowes Harbourmaster (given that it is Cowes HM that is investigating).
http://www.southamptonvts.co.uk/navigation.htm

Mark
 
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From LW395's latest, the next question would seem to be 'Was the Red Tunnel in a fairway?'. So far, we don't know where in Southampton Water/Solent/Cowes Roads this incident happened, although it looks to me as if it was in mid-Solent, with the ferry heading towards Soton (Isn't that the IOW shore in the background?). If that's the case, no fairway involved.

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He wasn't in the Southampton Water or the fairway, he was in Cowes Roads approaching Cowes, well outside of the area of concern and not within QHM's jurisdiction either.

I was just leaving Cowes and saw it, albeit from a distance, having heard the ferry making the noise. Looked to me like the X boat which was sailing hard on the wind with the tide under him made a fine judgement - perhaps a better one than the ferry skipper who may not have seen the X boat early enough and started blasting as if to say "I'm coming through".

The X boat was stand on and it didn't appear to me from where I was that ferry actually slowed down or had to take evasive action. Be interesting to see if it was captured on radar.

The picture is also misleading - you can see most of the starboard side of the ferry - the X boat has actually passed the track of the ferry.
 
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Erm, would it have been easier if they just spoke to eachother? I don't sail in the Solent but if I did I'd certainly have a handheld VHF in the cockpit even in a dinghy or keelboat, whatever that is. In the empty waters up north I keep a VHF in the cockpit. A quick chat would probably have sorted the problem before blood pressures went up and gonads shriveled.

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Because the ferry is quite quick and manoevrable, situations like this only escalate at very close quarters, so there really is not time to call up the X-boat. 5 blasts will get his attention much sooner.
Also there is a choice of channels to be listening on, 37 for racing, 11 for QHM, 12 for Soton? is it 14 for Cowes?
Few racing yachts around here listen on 16. I don't know if the Red funnel listens on 16 as well as the port channels, but I would not expect them to answer the radio at this point.
If there was any radio traffic I would expect it to have been the ferry complaining to the HM.
It will be interesting to see if there is official fallout from this.
 
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