Westerly Pageant on a trailer - hypothetical

2000kg plus trailer is a pretty heavy load. I don't think a Transit would be up to it, you're into 4x4 territory.
We have a road trailer for our Vega (2300kg) and used a tractor to tow it 5 miles home, although a defender would do, according to the figures. Not something to do more than twice a year, IMHO...
Maybe if you got a boat with a tabernacle and had access to very good slipways?
 
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Robwhelton said:
2000kg plus trailer is a pretty heavy load. I don't think a Transit would be up to it, you're into 4x4 territory.
We have a road trailer for our Vega (2300kg) and used a tractor to tow it 5 miles home, although a defender would do, according to the figures. Not something to do more than twice a year, IMHO...
Maybe if you got a boat with a tabernacle and had access to very good slipways?
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I do not plan to move it that often

And if I could leave the trailer under it in the garden - I have a job in new Zealand next winter for four months - leaving the boat unused swinging on a mooring some-where or clocking up yard fees would be expensive

being able to bring the boat home - or even to pay for some-one else to tow it home - would save me some money

I would pay to have it craned on and off the trailer into and out of the water

When the boat is not on the trailer I could put the trailer in the garage so that it would not deteriorate

Dylan
 
dylanwinter said:
Hypothetical

say I were to buy one of these

http://cowes.boatshed.com/westerly_pageant-boat-137037.html

could I put it on one of these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_n...=true&_nkwusc=car+transporter+trailker&_rdc=1

and tow it with a rented transit



Dylan
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The trouble with a car transporter is that the bow of the boat may be overhanging the towing hitch when the load and trailer are "balanced" to give an acceptable nose weight.

Then the bow whacks the back of the van! Seen someone try to do that ! (He would probably have done it with a pick up truck then the bow could have over hung the back of the truck)

If you move the boat back it lifts the back wheels of the van off the ground.

You might do it with trailer longer than a car transporter, a van trailer for example, BUT you would have to cheek that the keels will fit the wheel channels on the trailer.

Many years ago I helped a mate with a 23/24 footer on a big flat bed trailer. He hired a Land rover to tow it.

Dont forget a Pageant weighs all but 2 tons so youd need to also check the capacity of the trailer
 
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VicS said:
The trouble with a car transporter is that the bow of the boat may be overhanging the towing hitch when the load and trailer are "balanced" to give an acceptable nose weight.

Then the bow whacks the back of the van! Seen someone try to do that ! (He would probably have done it with a pick up truck then the bow could have over hung the back of the truck)

If you move the boat back it lifts the back wheels of the van off the ground.

You might do it with trailer longer than a car transporter, a van trailer for example, BUT you would have to cheek that the keels will fit the wheel channels on the trailer.

Many years ago I helped a mate with a 23/24 footer on a big flat bed trailer. He hired a Land rover to tow it.

Dont forget a Pageant weighs all but 2 tons so youd need to also check the capacity of the trailer
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put the boat on backwards?

d
 
I towed my W25 from Wales to Stafford & then after a refurb I towed her up to Dumbarton using an antique Range Rover & a trailer made for the job. The boat was loaded stern first on that, the wheels were almost at the back of the trailer, the overhang was 10' of bow & I hung the trailer board under the bow at about eye height for following cars.

It still caused a couple of accidents tho, a couple of idiots on the other carriageway of the M6 ran up the ass of the car in front simply because they were gawping at me in slow moving traffic.
 
Searush said:
I towed my W25 from Wales to Stafford & then after a refurb I towed her up to Dumbarton using an antique Range Rover & a trailer made for the job. The boat was loaded stern first on that, the wheels were almost at the back of the trailer, the overhang was 10' of bow & I hung the trailer board under the bow at about eye height for following cars.

It still caused a couple of accidents tho, a couple of idiots on the other carriageway of the M6 ran up the ass of the car in front simply because they were gawping at me in slow moving traffic.
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Youd risk being "done" for the rear over hang now i think ... but you'd only need a flimsy frame to carry the rear number plate and lights to make it legal I think.
 
This is a picture SWMBO took of me today when I should have been antifouling, but went playing instead.
The boat in the background is a Leisure 23 SL which is roughly the same dimensions as a Pagaent. The trailer is a 4 wheeled jobby and this combination was towed behind a Toyota pick-up.
This is the only photo I got, but could take more tomorrow if you want.
 
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A transit is capable of towing 3.5 tonnes legally - my transit can tow more than my landrover.

However, the safety of the load comes into question - you'd need to load the van a bit as well to hold it on the road.
 
excellent

Corribee Boy said:
A transit is capable of towing 3.5 tonnes legally - my transit can tow more than my landrover.

However, the safety of the load comes into question - you'd need to load the van a bit as well to hold it on the road.
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duck punt, anchors, chain, gas bottles, sails, short spars, cushions, friend, fuel cans

take as much out of the boat as I can

this is shaping up into a plan



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I helped a chum tow an Anderson 22 from Titchmarsh to West Sussex; the A22 is a bit lighter but no featherweight at a claimed 2,500lbs empty & dry; even using an old RangeRover it seemed a serious business, with a 4 wheel braked trailer and said chum has worked on & played with all sorts of vehicles all his life.

However I do think Pageants are good boats, a late friend & colleague had Pageant No.1 at our club.

They can keep up with a lazily sailed A22 on a broad reach, as I found to my horror !

Prices seem to vary a lot, some seem silly compared to a Centaur, but for 1 or 2 people they seem fine boats.

Edit; not sure they'll beat into a gale though !
 
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yes

It might be a solution

I can kill the ongoing costs of KTL stone dead by bringing the boat home -and parking it on the drive

I could not do that with a centaur

it is a westerly - so the westerly sailors might be more likely to watch ktl

there is enough room to live for extended periods on a pontoon and carry on working

slug is too small

it will take the ground

it has an inboard.... but if I can the right one with the right inboard

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There are some good pics on google images of a Westerly Pageant on a trailer. I tried to get a link and failed. I googled...Westerly Pageant on a trailer found it top right on 1st page in images.
 
dylanwinter said:
more pix please

how does it tow?

how much did the trailer cost

what is the all up weight of the boat - gear included

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More pix tomorrow.

I didn't do the towing, I commissioned an ex boat haulier who happened to be as local farmer. It struggled on one of the hills, but otherwise he seemed to be going along nicely. Boat didn't move an inch on the trailer, a flat bed by the way.
Tied down with two straps, one across the bow, one across the stern. Mast tied to pullpit coach roof and pushpit.

It's his trailer, i asked if he wanted to sell it to me a few weeks ago. He wanted around £1700 for it, but he has another one which he says would be suitable but not as tidy for about half that.

The boat I think would weigh in about 2 and a bit tonnes, it has a diesel inboard. The spec weight is 2 tonnes.
 
Corribee Boy said:
A transit is capable of towing 3.5 tonnes legally - my transit can tow more than my landrover.

However, the safety of the load comes into question - you'd need to load the van a bit as well to hold it on the road.
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I'm surprised about that but it is potentially good news as vans are much easier to get on hire than Defenders are.
When I was doing some research prior to towing the Vega I concluded that a transit was nowhere near up to it, only a Defender/Disco/Rangey or a smattering of other 4x4s (Landcruiser Amazon, Trooper) were up to the 3500kg weight.

Do you have a source for that capacity figure?
 
Dylan,

I forgot to mention, my chums' 4 wheel braked trailer was about £2000 a few years ago, I think about £2,500 now.

He has the boat craned on & off the trailer at the club as you're proposing, wouldn't dream of dunking the trailer in salt water so it still looks good as new.

The towing weight rules are important now they're the latest easy target for the police 'interceptors', they have a habit of escorting people to a weighbridge on the M27 end by the New forest, as one example.

Hayling Trailers, good kit but don't hold your breath waiting for good service;

02392 464176
 
The trick is to get a boat & trailer together - plus a decent modern engine - that will put you in the top of the Pageant price range tho.

My W 25 (slightly narrower & lower than a Pageant) weighed about a ton. It towed fine, the RR could do 70, given time & stopping wasn't a big issue, but you do tend to need to leave extra stopping room & think ahead. You need to be prepared to change down early to keep the revs up & not go mad going down hill. You also need to get the trailer nose weight right & that means sliding the boat back & forward on the trailer to find the rght spot. Once you know the right spot - mark it clearly for next time.

At the moment you enjoy sneaking off in the winter - you won't be able to do that with a pageant at home. But maybe the punt will cover that need.
 
Hi, I have always towed my boats and I used to tow dads Leisure 20 back in the 90's, with boats this size its important the get the set up right, but as long as you do its a great way to minimise costs.

Sorry I have no idea of the legalities of towing with commercial vehicles, but I do know that a transit will tow a boat of this size.

Although a flat bed may seem a good idea, I would go for a dedicated boat trailer at about the same cost. It will make towing much easier.

Fully loaded RAC transit recovering my boat after my Rangie munched its way through a drive shaft. Boat weighs about 3400kg in cruising trim.

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