ShipsWoofy
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Re: Education
So, basically my O level English is worthless?
So, basically my O level English is worthless?
Well there goes my mooring then....
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halcyon
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Re: Education
Could try Ebay.
Though it does prove you could read the questions.
Brian
Could try Ebay.
Though it does prove you could read the questions.
Brian
Cobra25
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Re: Education
It is both children taught in Wales and their counterparts in England who have the problems halcyon describes. The problem is exacerbated when children of English only parents have them taught in Welsh with English as another lesson or second language. As I said the problem only shows itself in the second year of secondary education when the child is seen to be struggling. The standards have been lowered anyway as landaftaf says. CSEs gave everybody a medal but they were not liked so they got rid of them and brought in GCSEs. This time they didn't tell anybody that their children would be taking exams at higher, intermediate and basic stages so we all think our children have done really well when in fact their literacy maybe as halcyon indicates, their numeracy probably beggars belief. We have let two generations down in order for the government to convince us that standards have been raised and tell us this must be so because look at the number of children getting half a dozen GCSEs or more.
Speak to teachers who have retired and ask them for the truth of it. This country paid out millions allow excellent teachers to take early retirement, it was made easy on health grounds. 5,000 in one winter alone. An ex-headmaster I know took early retirement at 56, his pension was index linked and he is bringing in nearly as much as he was getting when he was working. His wife was a headmistress and she took early retirement as well. How much are they costing to keep away from children in desperate need of the old way.
Hope they supply a motorised trolley for your use if you go into a marina.
It is both children taught in Wales and their counterparts in England who have the problems halcyon describes. The problem is exacerbated when children of English only parents have them taught in Welsh with English as another lesson or second language. As I said the problem only shows itself in the second year of secondary education when the child is seen to be struggling. The standards have been lowered anyway as landaftaf says. CSEs gave everybody a medal but they were not liked so they got rid of them and brought in GCSEs. This time they didn't tell anybody that their children would be taking exams at higher, intermediate and basic stages so we all think our children have done really well when in fact their literacy maybe as halcyon indicates, their numeracy probably beggars belief. We have let two generations down in order for the government to convince us that standards have been raised and tell us this must be so because look at the number of children getting half a dozen GCSEs or more.
Speak to teachers who have retired and ask them for the truth of it. This country paid out millions allow excellent teachers to take early retirement, it was made easy on health grounds. 5,000 in one winter alone. An ex-headmaster I know took early retirement at 56, his pension was index linked and he is bringing in nearly as much as he was getting when he was working. His wife was a headmistress and she took early retirement as well. How much are they costing to keep away from children in desperate need of the old way.
Hope they supply a motorised trolley for your use if you go into a marina.
Cobra25
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Re: Education
If it is a true O-Level GCE it is priceless! Even higher grade GCSEs does not come up to pass level of the GCEs
If it is a true O-Level GCE it is priceless! Even higher grade GCSEs does not come up to pass level of the GCEs
landaftaf
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Re: Education
mmm - but I think you will find that after about 25 - 30 no prospective employer takes much notice of school achievements, much more to the point is what they have been doing since school and how well have they done it.
so those of us with gce 'o' levels, (being over 25 - 30), have something just as worthless as the modern school leaver with these gcse cr*p paper - /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif IMHO /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
mmm - but I think you will find that after about 25 - 30 no prospective employer takes much notice of school achievements, much more to the point is what they have been doing since school and how well have they done it.
so those of us with gce 'o' levels, (being over 25 - 30), have something just as worthless as the modern school leaver with these gcse cr*p paper - /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif IMHO /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
bilbobaggins
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Re: Welsh Language ![no thanks]
Just come back from boat-fixing on the East Coast of Wales, close by a monolithic cubist eyesore hotel - with a humungous metal bird-like thingy on top, like Godzilla with wings - right next door to an elegant old wooden Norwegian church. That's close to a giant dome-shaped electronic billboard, like a monster Tony Blair grin, with sponsors' messages scrolling across a hundred-foot frontage all night. Indecipherable and almost indescribable! I'm betting you could see this visual ordure from space.... As for education, the beggars can't even spell Cardiff right! They've even translated 'Tesco' into the local lingo. No couth, that lot! Only the Guinness seems unadulterated.
Then there's that vast concrete wall which keeps most Tafs at Bay; the silt from the Valleys rivers is busy creating another foetid swamp where Tiger Bay used to be - there are marsh gasses bubbling up through the water/mud mixture everywhere. 'The largest fish ladder scheme in Europe' has fish mostly exiting!!!
At least the natives are well friendly! And welcoming! CBYC gets my 'Good Neighbour of the Year' award, and the best and cheapest Caribbean restaurant this side of 50ºW is only 10 mins stroll away from the free visitors' moorings.
So, if you must go to Caerdidd, then eat Jamaican, drink Irish, speak 'Strine, and have a return ticket to somewhere else ( but not Swansea ) in your pocket.
Just come back from boat-fixing on the East Coast of Wales, close by a monolithic cubist eyesore hotel - with a humungous metal bird-like thingy on top, like Godzilla with wings - right next door to an elegant old wooden Norwegian church. That's close to a giant dome-shaped electronic billboard, like a monster Tony Blair grin, with sponsors' messages scrolling across a hundred-foot frontage all night. Indecipherable and almost indescribable! I'm betting you could see this visual ordure from space.... As for education, the beggars can't even spell Cardiff right! They've even translated 'Tesco' into the local lingo. No couth, that lot! Only the Guinness seems unadulterated.
Then there's that vast concrete wall which keeps most Tafs at Bay; the silt from the Valleys rivers is busy creating another foetid swamp where Tiger Bay used to be - there are marsh gasses bubbling up through the water/mud mixture everywhere. 'The largest fish ladder scheme in Europe' has fish mostly exiting!!!
At least the natives are well friendly! And welcoming! CBYC gets my 'Good Neighbour of the Year' award, and the best and cheapest Caribbean restaurant this side of 50ºW is only 10 mins stroll away from the free visitors' moorings.
So, if you must go to Caerdidd, then eat Jamaican, drink Irish, speak 'Strine, and have a return ticket to somewhere else ( but not Swansea ) in your pocket.
landaftaf
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Re: Welsh Language ![no thanks]
mmm - it would be difficult to beat the level of couthness than found in cardiff. outside london how many cities have so many active and vibrant theatres etc ...... hold international and national rugby and soccar matches on a regular basis, have huge parks running the length of the city, open fields with sheep/cows within about 3 miles of the city centre, a city shopping centre voted the best in the country not long ago, motorway links to the rest of the country - (even free to go across the severn bridges to england), an international airport and have a friendly welcome to all ?
btw -
the marsh gasses are aerifiers to prevent algae building up, the river taff is healthier than ever with moderate amounts of salmon running the river - (taffs as in the river taff) and the signs in undecypherable cryptic is the native language of the original brits (celts) .......
craeso - welcome
mmm - it would be difficult to beat the level of couthness than found in cardiff. outside london how many cities have so many active and vibrant theatres etc ...... hold international and national rugby and soccar matches on a regular basis, have huge parks running the length of the city, open fields with sheep/cows within about 3 miles of the city centre, a city shopping centre voted the best in the country not long ago, motorway links to the rest of the country - (even free to go across the severn bridges to england), an international airport and have a friendly welcome to all ?
btw -
the marsh gasses are aerifiers to prevent algae building up, the river taff is healthier than ever with moderate amounts of salmon running the river - (taffs as in the river taff) and the signs in undecypherable cryptic is the native language of the original brits (celts) .......
craeso - welcome
BrendanS
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Re: Why the Welsh
The report on the Welsh Language using information from the 2001 Census is available from the national statistics office here
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/census2001/Report_on_the_Welsh_language.pdf
I'm not sure why you think it's hazy, as it addresses most of the key issues such as errors in processing, and changes in changes in administrative areas since the 1991 census, and is very detailed
The report on the Welsh Language using information from the 2001 Census is available from the national statistics office here
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/census2001/Report_on_the_Welsh_language.pdf
I'm not sure why you think it's hazy, as it addresses most of the key issues such as errors in processing, and changes in changes in administrative areas since the 1991 census, and is very detailed
peterb
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Re: Education
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If it is a true O-Level GCE it is priceless! Even higher grade GCSEs does not come up to pass level of the GCEs
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At that rate I wonder what my School Certificate (1946) and Higher School certificate (1948) are worth?
I was taken to Wales "for safe keeping" in September 1939. Had to take lessons in Welsh at school. Fortunately after two weeks there had been none of the expected air raids, so came back to London. Can still remember a few Welsh swear words, though!
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If it is a true O-Level GCE it is priceless! Even higher grade GCSEs does not come up to pass level of the GCEs
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At that rate I wonder what my School Certificate (1946) and Higher School certificate (1948) are worth?
I was taken to Wales "for safe keeping" in September 1939. Had to take lessons in Welsh at school. Fortunately after two weeks there had been none of the expected air raids, so came back to London. Can still remember a few Welsh swear words, though!
deborahann
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well fight to get a mooring that suits you. There must be a satisfactory solution afterall you pay the fees, or you move elsewhere. devon & cornwall are nice bit of a drive but THEY DON'T SPEAK WELSH. seriously all this welsh speaking is like teaching kids latin, its a 24/7 world with chinese and indian speakers that are likely to be big bread winners for the future, speaking welsh, well i'm sorry but the worlds moved on from speaking tribal languages that actually don't benefit anyone long term. sorry.
misterg
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>>seriously all this welsh speaking is like teaching kids latin<<
How would you describe the benefits of binocular vision to someone who has only ever had the sight of one eye?
I believe this parallels the situation of being truly fluent in more than one language. It doesn't matter what these are, but it gives perspectives that monoglots cannot comprehend - Not every language is is mapped word for word on English!
Learning Welsh in Wales makes perfect sense - There's the history, culture, media and current affairs reporting that all aid true fluency (OK, as a West Walian living in North Wales, I admit that the N/S thing is a problem). All children should learn at least two languages from as young as possible - they are easily capable of doing so.
Oh, and I draw the line at "Bwci"
P.S. Woofy: There are vacant moorings at Conwy.....
Andy
How would you describe the benefits of binocular vision to someone who has only ever had the sight of one eye?
I believe this parallels the situation of being truly fluent in more than one language. It doesn't matter what these are, but it gives perspectives that monoglots cannot comprehend - Not every language is is mapped word for word on English!
Learning Welsh in Wales makes perfect sense - There's the history, culture, media and current affairs reporting that all aid true fluency (OK, as a West Walian living in North Wales, I admit that the N/S thing is a problem). All children should learn at least two languages from as young as possible - they are easily capable of doing so.
Oh, and I draw the line at "Bwci"
P.S. Woofy: There are vacant moorings at Conwy.....
Andy
Cobra25
Well-Known Member
Re: Why the Welsh
The problem has been that the questions are asked in a slightly different way at each census.
Bit like the EU payments for olive trees.
You omitted to say how many they say can speak Welsh.
The problem has been that the questions are asked in a slightly different way at each census.
Bit like the EU payments for olive trees.
You omitted to say how many they say can speak Welsh.